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Old 10-02-2010, 09:09 PM   #171
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Julie, I thought you, like most of us here on MTO, realised that "UMD" is rather irrelevant to Macedonians in the Diaaspora (and very much more so in Australia) and the Macedonian Cause in general and it now becomes perplexing to watch you asking Meto for advice on what course of action Macedonians in Australia should take.
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I am sure Julie is a big girl now and speak for her self, but i don't think she is looking for advice she has her own opinions and understandings, she is trying to expose Meto's thoughts and have them public and documented. We all including your self have asked UMD questions. It does not mean we are looking for advice.


Same situation in post 170. She is asking for vangelovski's point of view and not looking for advice which clearly you demonstrated she already has one. She is just wanting to get active and keep this forum active.

I am not Julie mabe she could confirm what i say is correct.
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Old 10-03-2010, 04:18 AM   #172
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Bratot,

I've lost count of how many times and by how many people this has been pointed out to you.
Aham, let me help you.. it was only you objecting but never offered anything in substance beside your rubish rethoric.

I have precisely asked what was fraud or malicious in my answer to Julie, you provide nothing.

Is maybe because I said the both resolution are contrary to the Charter of UN and the IA itself because in it's article 5 is calling on exctly those two resolutions and according to article 103 of UN make them null?



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You need to learn what SOVEREINGTY means and then have a good think about how that applies to the Macedonian people.

Arguing that we adhere to "laws" developed by an UNELECTED organisation, which has no interest in our political or cultural survival is nothing more than VASSAL politics.
I know what sovereingty means and I never said we need the UN to provide it.

But it was not my choice to decide and measure in which international organisations we could benefit as a members, somebody already decide on our behalf.

Actually, I do agree with your perception of UN.
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Old 10-03-2010, 04:25 AM   #173
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Aham, let me help you.. it was only you objecting but never offered anything in substance beside your rubish rethoric.

I have precisely asked what was fraud or malicious in my answer to Julie, you provide nothing.

Is maybe because I said the both resolution are contrary to the Charter of UN and the IA itself because in it's article 5 is calling on exctly those two resolutions and according to article 103 of UN make them null?





I know what sovereingty means and I never said we need the UN to provide it.

But it was not my choice to decide and measure in which international organisations we could benefit as a members, somebody already decide on our behalf.

Actually, I do agree with your perception of UN.
Bratot,

Your response DEMONSTRATES that you are far from understanding what SOVEREINGTY means. You should have a very good think about it, maybe refer to some authoritative works on the topic.
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Vangelovski,

thank you for your unconstructive reply, I fooled, myself, once again to believe you are enough capable to have an discussion with but you are just useless in every means.
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Old 10-03-2010, 05:02 AM   #175
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thank you for your unconstructive reply, I fooled, myself, once again to believe you are enough capable to have an discussion with but you are just useless in every means.
How am I mean't to have a discussion with someone who doesn't understand the basic concepts relating to the topic? If you want a run-down, I can give you one, but if you're going to make up BS as you go along, then what's the point?
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Old 10-03-2010, 08:51 AM   #176
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Julie, I thought you, like most of us here on MTO, realised that "UMD" is rather irrelevant to Macedonians in the Diaaspora (and very much more so in Australia) and the Macedonian Cause in general and it now becomes perplexing to watch you asking Meto for advice on what course of action Macedonians in Australia should take.
Indigen -
Where did I ask Meto for advice on behalf of the Australians in Macedonia????
I guess its now my turn to cop abuse, am not playing the game Indigen, I dont have the energy or health for it

Am tired of people putting words in my mouth, and am sick and tired of the insults and derogatory comments and attacks. If I am the next victim , will sign out.
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Old 10-03-2010, 08:52 AM   #177
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I am sure Julie is a big girl now and speak for her self, but i don't think she is looking for advice she has her own opinions and understandings, she is trying to expose Meto's thoughts and have them public and documented. We all including your self have asked UMD questions. It does not mean we are looking for advice.


Same situation in post 170. She is asking for vangelovski's point of view and not looking for advice which clearly you demonstrated she already has one. She is just wanting to get active and keep this forum active.

I am not Julie mabe she could confirm what i say is correct.
Cheer Bill, you know me well
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Old 10-03-2010, 09:00 AM   #178
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Bratot,

I've lost count of how many times and by how many people this has been pointed out to you.

You need to learn what SOVEREINGTY means and then have a good think about how that applies to the Macedonian people.

Arguing that we adhere to "laws" developed by an UNELECTED organisation, which has no interest in our political or cultural survival is nothing more than VASSAL politics.


Julie,

As a free and sovereign people (think about these concepts) we ALONE will decide how to run our state and which agreements to adhere to in our own national interest. We do not have to "do" anything and there are no legal or moral obligations to adhere to an illegitimate agreement that violates our national sovereignty and individual natural rights.

Iím also somewhat amazed that you would seriously consider taking advice on this matter from Meto or his UMD, particularly seeing as they continue openly advocate anti-Macedonian policies.

For the both of you here are two key concepts that you really need to get your head around, or you will continue to be subject to a slave mentality and governed by fear:

Individual Natural Rights
Individual and Collective Self-determination


Thank you for the insults Vangelovski.
Indigen and yourself have found yourselves someone new to attack, such heroes.
HOW DARE YOU both misconstrue what I write, and insult me
I am without ego, nor do I have "slave-mentality".
I would like to know how to help my Macedonian people in RoM, and I dont give a rats arse what you make of my questions.
I would like to know what UMD are doing, and have that right to ask that question.

Indigen and Vangelovski, both of you continue to attack and there will be no one left on the forum. I shall make it easy for you both and just leave, my health does not permit me to justify my existence to either of you PIG headed and rude imbeciles, and for someone so Godloving Vangelovski, disgusting
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Old 10-03-2010, 05:15 PM   #179
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Australia should be the next country to recognize us!
What a loaded comment from a worm like you. Why just Australia? All countries should recognise Macedonia, there is no order here.

What did your pathetic trip achieve in terms of bringing us closer to this realisation? You and your small and insignificant handful of cohorts in Australia were talking all sorts of hype when you were here, what did you achieve?
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Bratot - the Interim Accord states under Article 23:

"This Interim Accord shall remain in force until superseded by a definitive
agreement, provided that after seven years either Party may withdraw from this Interim
Accord by a written notice, which shall take effect 12 months after its delivery to the other Party"

Macedonia can withdraw at any time.
And what have you done to persuade the Macedonian government towards such an action?

You go around claiming to represent people that don't trust you, and you still fail to produce anything of worth. Go and organise another boat cruise.
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