The Macedonian Minority in Bulgaria

[Tomche Makedonche]

Originally Posted by Chiche

Fair enough.

Remember, in this arena, judgement of character is formed from the views conveyed within the contents of your posts. Right now, the views you have conveyed within the majority of your posts justify questioning the validity of your character and how such ideologies ultimately conflict with the idea of a free and independent Macedonia for the Macedonians.

If this was not your intention, then I suggest you take a moment of reflection and think through the logical conclusions of your future statements so as to define what you stand for. Once you feel you have, then I would say the majority would be happy to take into consideration your opinion on a more serious level, after all, like I mentioned before, Macedonians need to start to learn to understand one another if we are ever going to evolve and survive as a people.

[vicsinad]

Originally Posted by Tomche Makedonche

Remember, in this arena, judgement of character is formed from the views conveyed within the contents of your posts.

That is only part true. (Mis)Judgement of character is also formed from the biases and state-of-mind the reader or evaluator brings to the assessment.

[George S.]

Does not apply to bs artists who do not admit who they are.They are out to deceive other people.State of mind is you were hallucinating on a identity drug that you were an albanian to us but according to you dressed in macedonian clothing.So whatever you did was a wasted space & time.In other words you are bloody clown & fool to boot.

[Risto the Great]

Originally Posted by vicsinad

That is only part true. (Mis)Judgement of character is also formed from the biases and state-of-mind the reader or evaluator brings to the assessment.

That will always be the case. However, the morsels of intent you have blessed this forum with include the following:

- You wanted people to vote for your father as a Diaspora candidate of the SDSm party. (Followers to this party walk around with Serb flags)
- You think there is nothing wrong with playing Serbian or Greek music at Macedonian events. It doesn't degrade the Macedonian identity. You like Serbian music.
- You think the ethnic Albanians of Macedonia deserve the rights afforded to them under the Badinter principle.
- You don't like the OFA but believe the Badinter principle is not the problem with it. You have never explained the reason why you don't like the OFA other than to say Badinter is not the problem.
- You identify "a time where Vardar Macedonians stopped looking at Serbs as occupiers" and cannot seem to understand how that has effected the modern Macedonian identity.

Not sure if there is much more, but this kind of what we have on the plate about you.

My "state of mind" tells me that you are Macedonian but would best serve Macedonia's interests by staying out of matters pertaining to sovereignty for the Macedonian people. You will only confuse them with serious doses of wishywashyness.

[vicsinad]

Originally Posted by Risto the Great

That will always be the case. However, the morsels of intent you have blessed this forum with include the following:

- You wanted people to vote for your father as a Diaspora candidate of the SDSm party. (Followers to this party walk around with Serb flags)
- You think there is nothing wrong with playing Serbian or Greek music at Macedonian events. It doesn't degrade the Macedonian identity. You like Serbian music.
- You think the ethnic Albanians of Macedonia deserve the rights afforded to them under the Badinter principle.
- You don't like the OFA but believe the Badinter principle is not the problem with it. You have never explained the reason why you don't like the OFA other than to say Badinter is not the problem.
- You identify "a time where Vardar Macedonians stopped looking at Serbs as occupiers" and cannot seem to understand how that has effected the modern Macedonian identity.

Not sure if there is much more, but this kind of what we have on the plate about you.

My "state of mind" tells me that you are Macedonian but would best serve Macedonia's interests by staying out of matters pertaining to sovereignty for the Macedonian people. You will only confuse them with serious doses of wishywashyness.

First, your biases and state-of-mind led you to negate one of my very first posts, for which you "agreed with my conclusion."

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...ead.php?t=5553

Try being a little more objective.

Second, point by point:

-Yes, my father would have been an excellent representative. Sure, some SDSM followers walk around with the Serb flags, some VMRO members walk around with the Bulgar flag, and most politicians are inept or corrupt. However, most Macedonians from Macedonia that vote (and the Diaspora) either fall under SDSM or VMRO, and to state that being a member or supporter of either of those party already means that your Macedonianism should be question is ridiculous. My father has done much for the Macedonian Cause and to promote Macedonian culture, and of course I wanted to give people the option to vote for him.

-That is not accurate. I said I don't care whether Macedonians play Serb or Greek or whatever music at their own private family events. In addition, I said I wouldn't play anything but Mak music at my events. And yes, I like some Serb music like I like some Croat, Bosnian, Spanish, Italian and Russian music. However, I have been totally against things like playing Serb or other music at Macedonian parties and conventions.

-I believe the only "right" the Badinter Principle gives to the Albanians is to veto certain matters in Parliament. Yes, I am okay with that.

-That's because the MTO has an inability to proceed in discussions without attacks and insults. Yes, calling me anti-Macedonian is an insult.

-Yes, I think many Macedonians in Vardar Macedonia stopped looking at Serbs as occupiers. The basic fact is that Yugoslavia tried to Yugoslavianize the people, not Serbianize. The other basic fact is under Yugoslavia, Macedonians had it "relatively" good compared to Macedonians in Bulgaria and Greece.

All that said, I stand by what I said then, and what I said now.

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by vicsinad

-I believe the only "right" the Badinter Principle gives to the Albanians is to veto certain matters in Parliament. Yes, I am okay with that.

That fact that you support the Badinter Principle in the Framework Agreement is one of your key anti-Macedonian triats. It is an anti-Macedonian provision in an anti-Macedonian agreement. In fact, its also an anti-democratic and racist provision and fundamental in upholding special privileges. You're the only one that hasn't yet come to terms with this fact.

[Risto the Great]

Originally Posted by vicsinad

First, your biases and state-of-mind led you to negate one of my very first posts, for which you "agreed with my conclusion."

Nice. What a shame you don't agree with your self.

Originally Posted by vicsinad

"the identity and existence of a people can never be negotiated"

Macedonians presently cannot self-determine matters on culture or ethnicity which are at the very core of identity and existence. Macedonians in Macedonia need ethnic Albanians to agree on these matters in a manner which violates the rights of Macedonians. That is Badinter in a nutshell. So your article was in fact meaningless fluff when taken in context with your proven and disturbing mindset.

The rest of your points were merely helping paint a picture of your beliefs. But they can change from time to time.

[Chiche]

Me again I do not know vicsinad, but why so much aggression aimed at him, must ONE totally agree with all the MTO leaders beliefs???

[Risto the Great]

You said "point by point" but still didn't address the OFA other than to say you feel insulted.

- You don't like the OFA but believe the Badinter principle is not the problem with it. You have never explained the reason why you don't like the OFA other than to say Badinter is not the problem.

Give it a go.

Here is the part I don't like:

Article 69
. . .
(2) For laws that directly affect culture, use of language, education, personal documentation, and use of
symbols, the Assembly makes decisions by a majority vote of the Representatives attending, within which
there must be a majority of the votes of the Representatives attending who claim to belong to the
communities not in the majority in the population of Macedonia. In the event of a dispute within the
Assembly regarding the application of this provision, the Committee on Inter-Community Relations shall
resolve the dispute.

I do however like the fact that is is included in Article 69, which makes it very clear that both parties need to be servicing each other at precisely the same time with extreme satisfaction in order for Macedonians to pursue their own "laws that directly affect culture, use of language, education, personal documentation, and use of symbols"

[Risto the Great]

Originally Posted by Chiche

Me again I do not know vicsinad, but why so much aggression aimed at him, must ONE totally agree with all the MTO leaders beliefs???

Not at all Chiche.
The real question is what your beliefs actually are. If you are a fool with misguided beliefs, I would then question your ability to help the Macedonian Cause ... other than being cannon fodder.

But you Chiche come across as a nice touchy feely kind of guy who loves all Macedonians no matter how misguided they are. There comes a time when some Macedonians should no longer qualify in shaping the direction of Macedonia's future. I would not let Grkomani run our little community in Adelaide ... nor would I let Srbomani do it ... nor FYROMani etc. But that is just principled little old me.