Origin of the Goths: Slavic or Germanic?

[Serdarot]

Originally Posted by Slovak/Anomaly/Tomas

I'm not aware of any significant number of Macedonians fighting in Baczka, or in any part of Vojvodina for that matter. My town was liberated by Slovak volunteers, my grandfather included.

So you never heard about the Macedonians being killed, tortured and imprisoned, because they refused to go to the "Sremski Front"?

You never heard, that most of the Macedonian Fighters who were killed in the WWII, were fighting on the "Sremski Front"?

And you speak about ignorance?

You're only revealing your ignorance by calling me Anti-Macedonian. Ask the other Macedonians what they have to say first. I do not think I have made a single Anti-Macedonian statement since I joined this forum years ago.

To write those 2 statements, that modern Macedonians have no contribution in the current civilization, and that modern Macedonians were not fighting to liberate Vojvodina (Syrmium/Srem, Banat, Bachka), is anti-Makedonism by definition.

Beside anti-Makedonism, it is an insult, lie and complete ignorance.

[Delodephius]

You seem to imply that only Macedonians are somehow the ones to be noted of fighting on the Syrmian front, as if all others fighters there are irrelevant. Putting your people so high on a pedestal, as if they are the sole important people on Earth, no wonder even the smallest mistake or incorrect remark about your people can be called Anti-Macedonism. I don't want to guess to what depth you are mentally disturbed, but I'm putting you on my Ignore list just to be safe.

[TrueMacedonian]

Guys let's keep the insults out of the topic and just discuss the topic on hand.

Tomas, Serdarot what do you guys think about Onur's posts on page 2?

[Delodephius]

Tomas, Serdarot what do you guys think about Onur's posts on page 2?

There too many misconceptions and misinformation there to even bother with it. I'd just ignore it. You guys can debate if you want, I'll join if an opportunity comes.

[TrueMacedonian]

Originally Posted by Slovak/Anomaly/Tomas

There too many misconceptions and misinformation there to even bother with it. I'd just ignore it. You guys can debate if you want, I'll join if an opportunity comes.

What's your opinion about the monk Hrabar and his statement that the pre-christian Slavic tribes used runes?

[Serdarot]

Tomas, now try wearing my shoes...

My grandfather´s life was ruined cause of the "sremski front" (his complete family´s life was ruined cause of the "sremski front".)

so it is not nice to read lies and half-truths?

i am very aware that not only Macedonians fought on the Sremski Front. I even mentioned in my previous post, that the Macedonians were not the only one who liberated the Balkans from the fascist (it is stupid to even think that we, so small nation could have serious results against the military machine that the axis powers were, without wide coalition of co-fighters)

And my reaction about the "Nemci" was like it was, cause i could not believe you search for explanations, for the obvious?

There is no mystery in Nemci, it is so clear the root and the meaning

TM: i would love to participate in this discusion, but i will do it after i sleep.

Utroto e pomudro od vecherata.

PoZdrav / Greetings

[Onur]

Originally Posted by TrueMacedonian

Guys let's keep the insults out of the topic and just discuss the topic on hand.

Tomas, Serdarot what do you guys think about Onur's posts on page 2?

I guess they are busy with arguing and ruining the thread with useless posts.

There too many misconceptions and misinformation there to even bother with it. I'd just ignore it.

I linked the sources from 5th century when Goths ruled Roman lands. You call the accounts from that era as misconception and misinformation? If so, then enlighten us but don't spam the thread just because you prefer to ignore it.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Originally Posted by Slovak

I'm not aware of any significant number of Macedonians fighting in Baczka, or in any part of Vojvodina for that matter. My town was liberated by Slovak volunteers, my grandfather included.

If you're not aware then you're ignorant of certain facts. If you're interested, you should research it.

The origin of the word Nemci could be from a German tribe called the Nemetes......

That is possible.

.......while the origin of the word Slověne is still unknown. It is most likely an Iranian (Scytho-Sarmatian) word.

In my opinion, the term slověne derived from PIE kleu. After satemisation, words such as slava (renown, spoken of) and slovo (word, speaking) arose. This may then be connected to sloga (unity) - in the sense of 'linguistic' unity, at least initially. That seems to fit in with the advent of the name 'Slavs' during the 6th century and the circumstances surrounding the relevant events.

[TrueMacedonian]

Onur said:

You know, Romans used christianity as a tool for assimilating many different tribes, societies in to the Roman, Latin world. But, even with this fact, the Goths who earned high ranks in Roman world wrote their own history. They ignored many elements about themselves because of christian dogmas of medieval era but they wrote that they are descendants of Scythians.

Onur Jordanes, a Goth who wrote the Goth's history from Constantinople, wrote that the Goths migrated from an island called Scandza (thought to be Sweden) and migrated "to the land known as Scythia, called Oium in that tongue".

Contradictory to what you wrote.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Perhaps a segment of the Goths may have derived from there, but I think the story about 'Scandza' is a fanciful rendition by Jordanes that lacks credibility.