The Macedonian Minority in Bulgaria - Page 11

Momce Makedonce · 08-22-2012, 07:02 AM

Really?? He is actually willing to do that?? I was looking forward to seeing him play in the best league in the world but not at that cost. He obviously does not have a lot of self respect. His not the first one and wont be the last one either. Its a bit of a common trait for the modern Macedonians to not care at all, seen it myself.

United MKD · 08-22-2012, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

btw, can you represent Macedonia if you're the passport holder of a foreign country?

Yeah, I'd say alot of our internationals have dual passports. Some that I know is Pandev has an Italian passport, Lazevski, Todorovski, Ristic and Djurovski have Serb, Georgievski has an Aussie passport, Demiri has a Swiss and I'm sure there are a few more who hold Bulgarian passports that we do not know of atm.

Risto the Great · 10-09-2012, 06:05 PM

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/21987/49/

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Although one can certainly come up with several fold more reasons why Skopje and Sofia have not been able to normalize their relations, here are ten that come to mind right from the start.

1. Macedonians at home spent majority of their WW2 fighting against Bulgarian soldiers. Macedonian partisans engaged the Germans mostly in major battles outside of Macedonia, in other parts of the then Yugoslavia.

2. In 1913 Macedonia was split in 3 parts (Vardar, Pirin, Aegean). Due to the split, the remains of one of the greatest Macedonian revolutionaries Goce Delcev (died 1903) found itself on the 'other' side, in present Bulgaria. Official Sofia in 1946 sent Delcev's remains to the rightful owners, the Government of Macedonia in Skopje. Today official Sofia claims him as "Bulgarian". Why give him up if he is your own, and equally important, why claim him 60 years later?

3. Bulgaria while protecting their Jewish minority, was responsible for rounding up and sending to concentration camps the Jewish population from Macedonia and Thrace (present Greece). Macedonia lost 98% of its Jewish population. All of the gold, art and jewelry was stolen by Bulgarian soldiers and sent to Sofia. Just a fortnight ago (October 7th), Jewish leaders from Israel told the Bulgarian Government in Sofia that "saving your own Jews but murdering others still makes you a murderer". There goes Sofia's hope that everyone has amnesia.

4. Official Bulgarian census in 1946 listed 252,908 Macedonians living in Bulgaria. Official census in 1956 somehow listed less, 187,789 ethnic Macedonians, concentrated in the Pirin region. In 2011, official Sofia counted 1,600 Macedonians! For the next census, Sofia will follow Athens and claim it has no minorities.

5. When visiting Bulgaria, in particularly major holiday destinations , one is able to view dozens of TV channels from all of Bulgaria's neighbors. The only channels missing (scrambled) are those from Macedonia.

6. Just like in Greece, Bulgaria too does not allow Macedonians to register a political party and take part in Parliament elections. The Macedonians have taken Bulgaria to Human Rights court in Strasbourg twice, won both times, but still cannot register their party.

7. Bulgaria first recognized Macedonia, at the same time did not recognize the language which automatically created tensions between the two countries.

8. Bulgaria wanted to help Macedonia during the Greek embargo and opened its port in Burgas to Macedonian companies. This nice gesture was conditioned - official Skopje must stop its communication with Macedonians in Bulgaria.

9. After 2000, Bulgaria decided to create a "minority" in Macedonia, Serbia, Moldavia (even Albania) by issuing passports and citizenships to Macedonians. According to Macedonians and Serbs who have received Bulgarian passports, the entire procedure was done in less than two months involving little to no documentation at all.

10. A typical court case of divorced parents seeking a custody of their daughter turned into a circus case because the mother (Spaska Mitrova) had recently received a Bulgarian passport. Mitrova's new passport meant the bombastic arrival of two dozen journalists from Sofia at a small court house in Gevgelija to cover the case and cheer on Spaska Mitrova.

makedonche · 10-09-2012, 06:42 PM

RTG
It's a bit short isn't it?........several thousand other reasins still missing!

George S. · 10-09-2012, 07:14 PM

the bulgarians aren't as stupid as the macedonians.The bulgarians know how to preserve their soveregnity by keeping the minorities in control.Something the macedonians can't do.
Macedonia having normal relations with bulgaria? when did it ever have good relations.Bulgaria had allways irrendist claims on the whole of macedonia.

Chiche · 10-09-2012, 07:47 PM

"the bulgarians aren't as stupid as the macedonians"

I want to take you people serious and participate but starting to feel I made a mistake to register on this forum. The constant bad comments about the Macedonian people saddens me to the core.

Vangelovski · 10-09-2012, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiche

The constant bad comments about the Macedonian people saddens me to the core.

Its called self-reflection. Its the only way you can improve.

If you want a pat on the back no matter what, there are many other places you can visit. But none of them will open your eyes to the disaster that Macedonia has become - they only seek to perpetuate it. We seek to end and reverse it through education and awareness.

Chiche · 10-09-2012, 07:53 PM

Lad you cannot awaken a nation by abusing its people, get real! they will turn on you, the Abuser!!!

The latest comment said "Macedonian's are stupid", that includes You and Me

(1) The national-ethnic and cultural-linguistic identity of the Macedonian people is historically Macedonian, and derives its character from the native, indigenous and geographic homeland of the Macedonians, which is called Macedonia. To ensure that their human rights, integrity and heritage are appropriately respected, the only nouns and adjectives acceptable when reference is made to the above character and identity markers is Macedon, Macedonia, Macedonian and Macedonians.

MTO Rule1, above: Yet many of you call our people fyromians!!!! Outsiders cannot call us names, but we can!!!! Hypocritical!!!!!!!!!!

Vangelovski · 10-09-2012, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiche

Lad you cannot awaken a nation by abusing its people, get real! they will turn on you, the Abuser!!!

The latest comment said "Macedonian's are stupid", that includes You and Me

(1) The national-ethnic and cultural-linguistic identity of the Macedonian people is historically Macedonian, and derives its character from the native, indigenous and geographic homeland of the Macedonians, which is called Macedonia. To ensure that their human rights, integrity and heritage are appropriately respected, the only nouns and adjectives acceptable when reference is made to the above character and identity markers is Macedon, Macedonia, Macedonian and Macedonians.

MTO Rule1, above: Yet many of you call our people fyromians!!!! Outsiders cannot call us names, but we can!!!! Hypocritical!!!!!!!!!!

Chiche, you have a very shallow understanding of what is actually going on here. When a Greek calls us a fyromian, he is trying to deny our identity. The only instance that I've seen anyone here do it is when they are making the point that a specific person or group of people who happen to be Macedonians are actually working at deconstructing our identity and do not deserve to be called Macedonians because they are anti-Macedonian themselves.

When a Macedonian does something stupid, like agree to the Interim Accord, it is stupid and they are stupid - plain and simple.

Chiche · 10-09-2012, 08:21 PM

So we can break rule number 1??? and that is ok.

"Its called self-reflection"
you are doing what the bulgo's want, dividing your own, with the abuse, so they may take over. Reflect on that young man.

10-09-2012, 06:42 PM	#104
makedonche Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Macedonian Colony of Australia Posts: 3,242	RTG It's a bit short isn't it?........several thousand other reasins still missing! __________________ On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"

10-09-2012, 07:14 PM	#105
George S. Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 10,116	the bulgarians aren't as stupid as the macedonians.The bulgarians know how to preserve their soveregnity by keeping the minorities in control.Something the macedonians can't do. Macedonia having normal relations with bulgaria? when did it ever have good relations.Bulgaria had allways irrendist claims on the whole of macedonia. __________________ "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse" GOTSE DELCEV Last edited by George S.; 10-09-2012 at 07:14 PM. Reason: ed

10-09-2012, 07:53 PM	#108
Chiche Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 193	Lad you cannot awaken a nation by abusing its people, get real! they will turn on you, the Abuser!!! The latest comment said "Macedonian's are stupid", that includes You and Me (1) The national-ethnic and cultural-linguistic identity of the Macedonian people is historically Macedonian, and derives its character from the native, indigenous and geographic homeland of the Macedonians, which is called Macedonia. To ensure that their human rights, integrity and heritage are appropriately respected, the only nouns and adjectives acceptable when reference is made to the above character and identity markers is Macedon, Macedonia, Macedonian and Macedonians. MTO Rule1, above: Yet many of you call our people fyromians!!!! Outsiders cannot call us names, but we can!!!! Hypocritical!!!!!!!!!! Last edited by Chiche; 10-09-2012 at 08:07 PM.

10-09-2012, 08:21 PM	#110
Chiche Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 193	So we can break rule number 1??? and that is ok. "Its called self-reflection" you are doing what the bulgo's want, dividing your own, with the abuse, so they may take over. Reflect on that young man. Last edited by Chiche; 10-09-2012 at 08:31 PM.

08-22-2012, 07:02 AM	#101
Momce Makedonce Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 562	Really?? He is actually willing to do that?? I was looking forward to seeing him play in the best league in the world but not at that cost. He obviously does not have a lot of self respect. His not the first one and wont be the last one either. Its a bit of a common trait for the modern Macedonians to not care at all, seen it myself.

10-09-2012, 07:47 PM	#106
Chiche Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 193	"the bulgarians aren't as stupid as the macedonians" I want to take you people serious and participate but starting to feel I made a mistake to register on this forum. The constant bad comments about the Macedonian people saddens me to the core.

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