Racism from Greece and Greeks

[Bill77]

Originally Posted by SirGeorge8600

@makedonche To be fair Macedonia has a crap-load of Albanian minorities, and even many who have assimilated themselves into Macedonians.

Thats not true.

Originally Posted by SirGeorge8600

As for independent Greece's first leader, was he not a German by the name of Otto?

No....he's talking about an Albanian by the name of Kountouriotis

[United MKD]

Originally Posted by SirGeorge8600

@makedonche To be fair Macedonia has a crap-load of Albanian minorities, and even many who have assimilated themselves into Macedonians.

No, this has not happened.

[Onur]

Originally Posted by SirGeorge8600

Why are you so obsessed with his guy Onur? You realize he has no power? Should I post about Turkish imam's who promote sexism, racism, ethnic cleansing, and islamo-fascism?

I am not sure if you are aware of this but we are talking about a political party which received 7-8% of the votes in Greece, thats roughly about ~500.000 peoples vote. And yes i am taking him seriously when he promises about invading Turkey in front of 10.000s of cheerful supporters in Salonika but we better speak about how powerful they are after tomorrow`s elections.

Btw our imams cannot speak about a word of politics or they get fired from their jobs because we don't consider them as some kind "holy chosen people" unlike you. You know, Turkey is a secular country after all.

[Onur]

Originally Posted by SirGeorge8600

Also it doesn't look good as a politician when you obsess over Ottoman history and not the current supermassive economic crisis that Greece has.

Why not? As you know, creating external problems to make people forget the internal problems is a good trick of the politicians. If Golden Dawn neo-nazis gets in power, their best solution for the Greece`s economical problems would be creating an artificial tension with Turkey.

Maybe not on some but this trick works for the most.

[George S.]

May i remind you guys that turkey is the third most powerfull nato country in Nato.May i also say in the event of war macedonia should offer turkey any access point from macedonia to clobber these nutcases from greece.I think these loonies promising instanbul,
izmir etc are just trying to stir the greek dreams of changing the borders & turning back the clock.I think any moves like these will end up decimating greece completely economically ,militarily.etc maybe that's why greece bought those 400 tanks & got the eu to pay for them.If they are stupid enough let them try it as i said macedonia should allow free access points through its territory to decimate the greeks,they are just asking for it.

[makgerman]

Originally Posted by SirGeorge8600

....Sorry if it was misunderstood, I did not mean to imply that the Macedonian government assimilated these people, but I believe every country has a certain amount of immigrants who will attempt to change their identity (names and passports) to easier become citizens in the country that they attempt to reside in.
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This statement is totally incorrect if one is to compare Macedonia with with it's neighbours.

In today's Greek & Bulgarian parts of Macedonia all of the Macedonians weren't and still aren't allowed to declare themselves as Macedonians.

The Greek churches & governments have not allowed the Macedonians to christen their children in Macedonian. I don't think it has changed.

The Macedonians who remained weren't immigrants so the reason to become citizens isn't a valid argument.

Macedonia has never forced or insisted on anyone changing their names to become Macedonian citizens. I cannot think of one single Albanian, Serbian, Bosnian, Turk, Croatian person to do so.

There are Macedonian Torbeshi who have changed their names to Muslim with the "ski" added to their surname.

The only very few who may claim are some Roma people in the early sixties, eg Esma Redzhepova & Muharem Serbezovski. Again, not one of them were forced to do so by the Macedonian governments.

[VMRO]

Mihaloliakos is using smart tactics.
Mihaloliakos knows that a large number of the so called "Greeks" in Solun and Aegean Macedonia are former residents/descendants of the Christian Turks from Izmir and other regions of Turkey - which were forcibly removed from their ancestral homes and settled across Aegean Macedonia.

[George S.]

to all intents & purposes they are actually more turkish than greek.I think the greek govt has made a lot of stupid promises it has never kept & now looks like realisation time.If they can go back to izmir & instanbul they are both beatifull places they feel the promissed land is coming back to them.Of course they must be homesick but whether the greeks can actually pull it off is another matter i'm sure the turks aren't going to sit back & let them take thei izmir & instantbull.I think the greeks are so stupid that they will try to pull it off.Why did they trick the eu to buy them 400 tanks & to fortify the greek turkish borders with fences,what supposedly to stop illegals??What a joke.
Turkey isn't goin to take it lying down they are going to take military measures.The other countries will be reluctant to get involved straight away & might even let them have it out.Well Macedonia has to decide whom it supports the greeks or the turks.Camn macedonia be neutral in all this???After all it has signed alliances with turkey.

[makedonche]

Originally Posted by SirGeorge8600

@makedonche To be fair Macedonia has a crap-load of Albanian minorities, and even many who have assimilated themselves into Macedonians. I guess these people are the migrants of the Balkans. As for independent Greece's first leader, was he not a German by the name of Otto?

SirGeorge8600
Who was the first President..........not the first leader.

[Pelister]

Originally Posted by George S.

to all intents & purposes they are actually more turkish than greek.I think the greek govt has made a lot of stupid promises it has never kept & now looks like realisation time.If they can go back to izmir & instanbul they are both beatifull places they feel the promissed land is coming back to them.Of course they must be homesick but whether the greeks can actually pull it off is another matter i'm sure the turks aren't going to sit back & let them take thei izmir & instantbull.I think the greeks are so stupid that they will try to pull it off.Why did they trick the eu to buy them 400 tanks & to fortify the greek turkish borders with fences,what supposedly to stop illegals??What a joke.
Turkey isn't goin to take it lying down they are going to take military measures.The other countries will be reluctant to get involved straight away & might even let them have it out.Well Macedonia has to decide whom it supports the greeks or the turks.Camn macedonia be neutral in all this???After all it has signed alliances with turkey.

I think that Greece wants to destabilise the whole region so that it can get more Macedonian territory. Taking Istanbul is of course insane, but if it has a prearranged agreement with Bulgaria, Albanian or Serbia of carving up more Macedonian territory, then I could see why they might be looking to destabilize the region - provoke a general war and use it and then, consequently, "just happen" to end up with more Macedonian land.