Financial Crisis in Greece

[vojnik]

Yes but why should the world have top suffer from greece defaulting? Greece needs to avoid defaulting at all costs. They took a business risk by choosing a path of corruption so they must pay for it not the world they made a bad choice your arguing that everything should suffer because of a bad business decision. Let's say I for interest made a bad investment by buying a house I knew I couldn't afford but had contacts in government departments that would help me out by covering up certain debts etc now one day a person outside this circle of corruption spots that I evaded certain taxes etc he them ees it and am forced to pay it back or face being prosecuted. Should I make my whole street cup in so I can be saved for my poor decision note if answer is yes that means everyone on that street that is living an honest life must carry my debt on their shoulders simply cause I had the right to walk away

[Voltron]

Originally Posted by vojnik

Yes but why should the world have top suffer from greece defaulting? Greece needs to avoid defaulting at all costs. They took a business risk by choosing a path of corruption so they must pay for it not the world they made a bad choice your arguing that everything should suffer because of a bad business decision. Let's say I for interest made a bad investment by buying a house I knew I couldn't afford but had contacts in government departments that would help me out by covering up certain debts etc now one day a person outside this circle of corruption spots that I evaded certain taxes etc he them ees it and am forced to pay it back or face being prosecuted. Should I make my whole street cup in so I can be saved for my poor decision note if answer is yes that means everyone on that street that is living an honest life must carry my debt on their shoulders simply cause I had the right to walk away

Negative ^ Lets say you bought a home for 300,000 because at the time Banks were handing out loans like cupcakes and increasing your property value at the same time. Then the bubble bursts and your home that once was 300,000 is now worth 150,000. You still owe 300,000 over the next 35yrs of your life. Now, you tell me, why should you have to pay out of your ass for the rest of your life for something that is not even worth it ? Its not your fault that the ppl that were responsible for this disaster screwed up out of pure greed and incompetence. They were making billions knowing that one day this would happen. Then when disaster strikes they ask the federal govt to bail them out ! Putting again all the weight on the taxpayers. As if they dont have a full plate already. Its really quite remarkable how ppl turn a blind eye to this and put the blame on sunbathing Greeks. Christ are really heading towards a world of hurt.

[Onur]

Originally Posted by Voltron

Stojanecec & Risto.
You cant compare the beaches of Greece to Australia.
The beach you have over there is the ocean not a sea like the Aegean. In fact I would say there are very few remote places on our planet that comes close to our beaches.

Voltron, we got same beaches and same sun in Turkey and with higher quality facilities in vast lands, much bigger and better than Greece can offer.

Yes, Turkish people are not like Germans or Japanese but we are much more hardworking than you. But i don't blame you, if we would live with the credit cards of German taxpayers for 20+ years and if French taxpayers money would even be used to fix erection problems of our retired army officers, then we would surely be like you. Actually if you provide that to the Japanese people, then i am sure they would be as lazy as you. So, sun&sea&mediterranean weather are not related with your laziness.

[Voltron]

Originally Posted by Onur

Voltron, we got same beaches and same sun in Turkey and with higher quality facilities in vast lands, much bigger and better than Greece can offer.

Yes, Turkish people are not like Germans or Japanese but we are much more hardworking than you. But i don't blame you, if we would live with the credit cards of German taxpayers for 20+ years and if French taxpayers money would even be used to fix erection problems of our retired army officers, then we would surely be like you. Actually if you provide that to the Japanese people, then i am sure they would be as lazy as you. So, sun&sea&mediterranean weather are not related with your laziness.

Now where does Turkey come into this thread you pompous gook ?
Yeah, its facilities are so great that we have Turks flooding our islands in Kefallonia, Cyclades and even one sorry bastard that wanted to buy a few.

Now if you would, pls go back to your yurt and milk a lama or something.

[George S.]

voltron onur is right the beaches that onur is talking about are worldclass beaches catering
for the masses not just a handfull of tourists,Ok greece may have a handfull of beaches but turkey has heaps more.

[Bill77]

Originally Posted by Voltron

Yeah, its facilities are so great that we have Turks flooding our islands in Kefallonia, Cyclades and even one sorry bastard that wanted to buy a few.

Surely these Turks must be visiting Greece just for a laugh. But most likely, they just want some quiet time in a ghost town away from the massive amount of tourists Turkey get.

Rank Country International tourist arrivals
1 France 76.8 million
2 United States 59.7 million
3 China 55.7 million
4 Spain 52.7 million
5 Italy 43.6 million
6 United Kingdom 28.1 million
7 Turkey 27.0 million
8 Germany 26.9 million
9 Malaysia 24.6 million
10 Mexico 22.4 million

Turkey Ranked 7th in the world at 27.0 million (More than Greece's total population). Up 1.5 million from the previous year (2009).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_T...stination_2010

Originally Posted by Onur

Voltron, we got same beaches and same sun in Turkey and with higher quality facilities in vast lands, much bigger and better than Greece can offer.

Must be the case, according to the above stats.

I think Turkey is the biggest threat to Greece. Why? Greece can only depend on Tourism and nothing else.........(oh and olives).
Now with Turkey stealing tourism away from Greece and numbers are growing, i think Greece are in bigger trouble than voltron thinks. And it will get even worse the more the world finds out about the fake Greek history.

[Voltron]

Originally Posted by Bill77

Surely these Turks must be visiting Greece just for a laugh. But most likely, they just want some quiet time in a ghost town away from the massive amount of tourists Turkey get.

Rank Country International tourist arrivals
1 France 76.8 million
2 United States 59.7 million
3 China 55.7 million
4 Spain 52.7 million
5 Italy 43.6 million
6 United Kingdom 28.1 million
7 Turkey 27.0 million
8 Germany 26.9 million
9 Malaysia 24.6 million
10 Mexico 22.4 million

Turkey Ranked 7th in the world at 27.0 million (More than Greece's total population). Up 1.5 million from the previous year (2009).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_T...stination_2010

Must be the case, according to the above stats.

Bill, for once I willl take your advice.

Whatever.....

[Bill77]

Originally Posted by Bill77

Surely these Turks must be visiting Greece just for a laugh. But most likely, they just want some quiet time in a ghost town away from the massive amount of tourists Turkey get.

Rank Country International tourist arrivals
1 France 76.8 million
2 United States 59.7 million
3 China 55.7 million
4 Spain 52.7 million
5 Italy 43.6 million
6 United Kingdom 28.1 million
7 Turkey 27.0 million
8 Germany 26.9 million
9 Malaysia 24.6 million
10 Mexico 22.4 million

Turkey Ranked 7th in the world at 27.0 million (More than Greece's total population). Up 1.5 million from the previous year (2009).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_T...stination_2010

Must be the case, according to the above stats.

I think Turkey is the biggest threat to Greece. Why? Greece can only depend on Tourism and nothing else.........(oh and olives).
Now with Turkey stealing tourism away from Greece and numbers are growing, i think Greece are in bigger trouble than voltron thinks. And it will get even worse the more the world finds out about the fake Greek history.

Just as i thought voltron,

Don't you get sick of being proven wrong and getting caught out lying?
You guys should be masters at it by now.

[Voltron]

Bill, I dont know whats your beef with me, but this topic has to do with Greece exploding which Im sure interests many here.

If Ezel wants to discuss tourism than by all means open up a new thread.
Aside from that I really dont know what else to say.

[Onur]

Greek tourism is already is not on the same level with Turkey for the last ~15 years. As far as i see from the stats, about 14 million tourists comes to Greece every year and even tiny Croatia gonna surpass them next year or so with 12 million tourists currently. Ofc tourist numbers and revenue will drop for Greece, cuz no one desires to go to an holiday in a place where riot took place and molotov cocktails thrown to the banks.

Olive? Spain, Italy and Turkey has same quality olive oil as Greece since it`s a mediterranean tree, not specific to Greece. All in all, Spaniards, Italians and Turks can do better in all areas than Greeks does.


So, i believe that for the last 20-25 years, Greek economy has become totally dependant to the EU and their funds. After the cold war ended, Greece is no longer that much valuable for western world and they cant use it as some kind of barrier to the Turkey anymore. And after the global crisis, they just discarded them and all of a sudden, Greece is like a 5 year old kid who lost his mother in the middle of a big street now. I don't expect Greece to recover for few generations and when they recover, they wont be like the Greece of 1990-2000s. They can be more like Greece in early 1980s, b4 they became EU member.