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Old 10-09-2012, 08:52 PM   #111
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Chiche you are ignoring the substance of the argument & that is there is a subtle difference between the bulgarians & macedonians.I'm not talking here of language or other differences i'm talking of Identity & nationalism.Macedonians don't care much for their identity & they will change their name & let the politicians do it for them Example they are FyromiansSimilar Mcedonians do not have nationalism in them nor can it be imbibed in them
there seems to be a void & nothing can fill the national consciousness.People are so apathetic aka chiche they don't care about anyone but themselves.They are just happy to coast along with no responsiblity for anything.No need to fight for freedom or freedom from slavery.Yes there are many differences between macedonia & bulgaria.The people of macedonia are the problem their sense of values don't seem to be there there is a sense of indifference from so many including chiche.Is it self imposed or imposed condition by the various conquerors.My Conclusion the mental state can be a general self imposed & conditioned over time by various factors.THe people are under a stupour of slavery mental state .The can't get out of That's why we have apogists to say that what can you expect that is the best they can do.Sound familiar chiche.In other words the wind was out of them,they are powereless & they don't know what to do.The biggest thing is admitting to their wrongedness which is a barrier to their development of their mental state.Hence the retarded responses from some fyromians.
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Old 10-09-2012, 08:55 PM   #112
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So we can break rule number 1??? and that is ok.


"Its called self-reflection"
you are doing what the bulgo's want, dividing your own, with the abuse, so they may take over. Reflect on that young man.
Chiche, you need to reflect on what I actually wrote before you dribble off your next post.

More broadly, its time to start reflecting on why Macedonia is so F'd up and why there is no light at the end of the tunnel. We are responsible for our own problems. We need to identify them and fix them.

Finally, traitors who accept name negotiations and name changes and what have you, might as well be called fyromians. They have accepted it, they want it and they want to force it onto the rest of us.

Clear that muddled head of yours, its becoming tiresome.
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Old 10-09-2012, 09:00 PM   #113
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So we can break rule number 1??? and that is ok.
It is never OK.
That is why I call the idiots who perpetuate "FYROMisms" as FYROMIANS.
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Old 10-09-2012, 09:06 PM   #114
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Lad you cannot awaken a nation by abusing its people, get real! they will turn on you, the Abuser!!!
Chiche, you really sound pathetic. There is mob called UMD who have repeatedly changed their ideology and tried to present themselves as the voice of the entire Macedonian Diaspora. Join them. You should be able to relate to them.

I'm sick and tired of Macedonians who think they have some superior knowledge when in fact all they rely on is principles like:

"Macedonia is and always will be"
"I know what I am"
"We had no choice"

Chiche, you are a Macedonian sheep. The type that Goce Delcev was talking about. You will never facilitate change. If you are lucky, you might evolve. But I don't think so. It would be a pleasure if you did.

This forum (for me) is meant to challenge the "we have no choice" mindsets and hopefully offer some kind of empowerment to Macedonians who feel as though they are victims. Not everyone is a victim. Just "lads" like you.
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George makes a point about controlling minorities in Bulgaria. Bulgaria managed to gain EU entry without offering disproportionate rights to (for example) the ethnic Turks of Bulgaria.

Macedonia is always jumping through hoops to satisfy other nations and/or organisation's desires for political experiments. Macedonia has agreed to these to it's own detriment every time.
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George does have a very good point. Lets not kid ourselves. Macedonian politicians are amongst the most morally corrupt, self-interested, plainly stupid and inexperienced in the world. Every word and action that comes out of them is a testament to this, let alone the gigantic anti-Macedonian F up's they have made and continue to perpetuate. The only thing I'm unsure about is whether their lapdogs in Macedonia and the diaspora are worse.
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"Chiche, you really sound pathetic'

AGAIN, WITH ABUSE!!!
All I ask is don't call our people names!!! I have stated I do agree with you all that the Government of the Republic of Macedonia is wrong, the UMD may also have some errors in their ways.

A Person who wants peaceful dialogue should not be abused because he has not yet been accepted. Lads I come in peace
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Old 10-09-2012, 10:16 PM   #118
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A Person who wants peaceful dialogue should not be abused because he has not yet been accepted. Lads I come in peace
So did the Bulgarians, Greeks, Serbians, and usually all Macedonian traitors. Therefore please forgive and be accepting of those Macedonians who have sought to learn some valuable lessons from the past by no longer limiting their judgements of a personís character on face value alone.
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Old 10-09-2012, 11:23 PM   #119
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Fair enough.
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Old 10-10-2012, 01:24 AM   #120
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When visiting Bulgaria, in particularly major holiday destinations , one is able to view dozens of TV channels from all of Bulgaria's neighbors. The only channels missing (scrambled) are those from Macedonia.
And in Macedonia you can see Bulgarian channels all the day
and you have bulgarians nights in clubs, mostly in eastern-macedonia
(strumica and so on).
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