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Old 01-25-2022, 09:04 PM   #261
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...He also claimed he was a "Catholic" but when I pressed him on the subject he revealed that he belonged to a minority "Catholic" faith in Ukraine which probably makes up 1% of all the Christians in that country. The only thing that apparently makes them Catholic is the recognition of the Roman Catholic Pope as head of their church.
I forgot to add, apart from recognition of the pope as head of their church, the church is essentially Orthodox in dogma and traditions as well as observing the old Julian calendar.
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Old 01-26-2022, 04:50 AM   #262
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The only solution to the Ukrainian crisis that I can see is for NATO and the west to keep the fuck away from Ukraine. Ukraine must remain a neutral country that straddles the west and east spheres of influence without interference. Not unlike Switzerland.
I agree, neutrality is the solution. I think Ukrainian politicians are playing a dangerous game by attempting to entice NATO to fight on their behalf. Unfortunately, hawkish idiots from the U.S. and EU are fuelling their unreasonable aspirations. If they continue to provoke Russia to the point of an invasion, I doubt they are going to receive the assistance they are expecting, and they may end up losing more than they already have. Ukrainians should understand that the interests of NATO have little to do with a prosperous Ukraine and everything to do with the destruction of Russia. By all means, pursue your own policy to the extent that it is reasonable, but understand that Russia isn't just any other country and their perspective on the potential for U.S. missiles to be placed on their border must be taken into account. That is the reality. Becoming pawns for some hegemonistic military alliance that is run by people who can't even place your country on a map is not the solution.
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Some might argue "But what about Crimea? If the Russians can annex Crimea with impunity, what's to stop them from annexing the whole country?" My answer to that is that Crimea, according to everything I have seen and read, was always Russian to begin with. In fact the Crimean region was gifted to Ukraine during the Soviet era as recently as 1954.
That region has passed hands from one group to another for centuries, but it does hold some historical significance for both Russians and Ukrainians, as the medieval leader of their ancestors was baptised in Crimea. In more recent times, it was controlled by Russia for about 170 years before Khrushchev transferred it to Ukraine. The only reason Russia didn't create an issue out of Crimea when the USSR disintegrated was because an agreement allowed them to keep their fleet there. If it played its cards right, Ukraine could have kept Crimea, but the events of 2014 put that in jeopardy, hence the subsequent referendum and unification with Russia. I don't think Crimea will ever be part of Ukraine again. Ukrainians may be able to regain sovereignty of their eastern territories that are currently held by the "separatists," but even if they succeed, it will take time to reintegrate a region they've been at war with for the past 7 years.
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Also, while I'm on the subject of Ukraine, just a point or two on Ukrainian identity. I don't claim to know too much about this and I have no idea how strong the sense of Ukrainian identity is among Ukrainians but I make these points based on observations on an old work colleague of mine who claimed he was Ukrainian. Well, he was Ukrainian when it suited him anyway. The rest of the time he claimed he was a "Russian". I found it really strange.
As with others, there are some complexities in Ukrainian history. That said, I believe the Ukrainian identity is valid. One of the issues they have is that many people who self-identify as Ukrainian speak Russian as a primary language. The pro-Ukrainian language policies, which Ukraine has every right to execute, have been coupled with an overtly anti-Russian language stance. Time will tell if that was the correct approach, but good luck trying to win hearts and minds in Donetsk and getting its Russian-speakers to adopt Ukrainian any time soon.
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Old 01-26-2022, 04:25 PM   #263
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Wow that is a great overview SoM.

I just want to add that the US has handed the "response" to Russia:

- Russia must withdraw its troops from Georgia, Ukraine and Moldova, NATO Secretary General Stoltenberg.

- Russian senator Dzhabarov (means close to nothing though) says the US written response to the Russian proposals is Washington going into direct confrontation.

- Basically the US response is: NO concessions to Russia.
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Old 01-26-2022, 08:40 PM   #264
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Basically the US response is: NO concessions to Russia.
Basically, a fait accompli that treats Russia as if it were a downtrodden Balkan country that has no right to a perspective in its own region. Great strategy. Observe the total lack of self-awareness. These are the geniuses who lied as a pretext to invade Iraq, partnered with terrorists in Syria, bungled the Afghanistan withdrawal and created the conditions for the resumption of African slavery in Libya. They are the same hypocrites who claimed to be concerned about the atrocities committed in the former Yugoslavia yet stood by and did nothing while a million people were butchered in Rwanda, who used an armed intervention to prevent separatism in Bosnia yet promoted separatism in Kosovo a few years later. At some point, one would think they'd reflect on their dismal résumé and question some of their tactics for the sake of peace and stability in the world. Instead, they just write the rules as they go along and change them whenever they feel the need to justify their existence. The sensible politicians in the U.S. who aren't thirsting for blood need to be more vocal. Needless to say, this "response" will not bode well in Russia.
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Old 01-29-2022, 12:01 AM   #265
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Tucker's most recent take, on point once again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0z55whpRvg

Ukrainian politicians contributed to the initial hysteria about an invasion, in the hope that the West would come to their aid. Now they are urging calm, as their hawkish counterparts in the U.S., supported by almost the entire media, beat the war drums even louder, without any real intent to engage in open conflict with the Russians in Ukraine. If Russia holds to its position, there are two likely outcomes. The West will lose face and grudgingly accept the end of NATO's eastward expansion, whether they care to publicly admit it or not, or they will continue to provoke Russia, in which case Ukraine stands to lose much more.
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Old 01-29-2022, 08:02 AM   #266
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Tucker's most recent take, on point once again.
Tucker is always on point. I don't think there's ever been a time where I've disagreed with him. His sarcasm is cutting and always entertaining to watch. I especially love how he never fails to mention the evil "Macedonians", whenever he is shitting on Hillary Clinton, as the "real" reason why she lost the 2016 presidency.

I actually watched that episode that you linked today and how the left wing media is painting Tucker out to be a "Russian Agent" because he is speaking obvious common sense. Meanwhile, the president of Ukraine himself is calling out Biden and his mainstream media minions to calm the fuck down and tone down the anti-Russian rhetoric and talk of an imminent Russian invasion of Kiev.
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Old 01-31-2022, 11:00 PM   #267
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His sarcasm is cutting and always entertaining to watch.
His sarcasm is brilliant. Here is an example from today. He showed a clip from a war-mongering republican senator named Jim Risch who was on some anti-Russian rant on CNN and stated that "Russia is a gas station masquerading as a country," to which Tucker replied "Jim Risch is a moron masquerading as a U.S. senator." LOL. He then proceeded to tear him apart by highlighting the defence contractors who sponsor him and his hypocrisy about supporting "democracies" (i.e., Ukraine) on the one hand, while praising dictatorships like Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Bahrain on the other. These people have no integrity.
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Tucker is always on point. I don't think there's ever been a time where I've disagreed with him. His sarcasm is cutting and always entertaining to watch. I especially love how he never fails to mention the evil "Macedonians", whenever he is shitting on Hillary Clinton, as the "real" reason why she lost the 2016 presidency.

I actually watched that episode that you linked today and how the left wing media is painting Tucker out to be a "Russian Agent" because he is speaking obvious common sense. Meanwhile, the president of Ukraine himself is calling out Biden and his mainstream media minions to calm the fuck down and tone down the anti-Russian rhetoric and talk of an imminent Russian invasion of Kiev.
Nah, it was even more dramatic than a mere "invasion of Kiev"...Biden used medieval descriptors like the sacking of Kiev, that was widely spread across the MSM, only for the WH to start denying it sometime later...

The Democrats and their MSM comrades on the left have to get a bit more imaginative when framing their boogeymen to throw at the worlds most gullible...how far can you possibly go with this Russia and Putin narrative before people start waking up to the fact that you've been taking the piss out of them for so long and that the only reason that they do this is to enrich themselves and to cover up their total incompetence at everything they touch.
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SoM, in regards to the referendum that was held in Crimea I am under the impression is is heavily disputed. I think both Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars boycotted the referendum on annexation by Russia
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SoM, in regards to the referendum that was held in Crimea I am under the impression is is heavily disputed. I think both Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars boycotted the referendum on annexation by Russia
Even if they boycotted or if there were some irregularities, the voter turnout was over 80% and over 90% of them opted to join Russia. For historical reasons, most people in Crimea have long preferred such a union, so the result was hardly surprising. From a statistical standpoint, there is little dispute. Even if the true number was a bit less than that which was recorded, the outcome was the will of the majority in the region. Within the context, perceptions on the legitimacy of the referendum are subjective.

On the more broader issue, Ukrainians knew their possession of Crimea was conditional. Their politicians rolled the dice in 2014 and lost. Rather than holding on to a relatively new and somewhat hostile acquisition, now some may argue that Ukraine would have been better off without Crimea in the first place. As for the Crimean Tatars, they did have a state in the region for a few centuries. They used their dominance to conduct raids into Ukraine and Russia, capturing hundreds of thousands of Christians and selling them off as slaves to their fellow Muslims in Turkey and the Middle East. That despicable practice was halted with the Russian conquest of Crimea. That doesn't justify what the Tatars suffered during the Soviet period, but it does highlight the complex nature of a region that will most likely remain part of Russia for a long time to come.
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