Dedo Iljo Vojvoda fought with his 206 Macedonians!

Daskalot · 02-19-2009, 01:13 AM

This quote is taken from a Serbian book about the Serbian-Bulgarian war of 1885.
Somehow Macedonians are to be found in it......

Source: "Istorija srpsko-bugarskog rata 1885" By Vladan Đorđević, 1908, page 389.

Brief translation into English:

Quote:

In that cheta there were 206 Macedonians under the command of pop Georgijeva and Dedo Iljo Vojvoda...

There were Macedonians fighting in the war of 1885, where was Tito?

Вардарец · 02-19-2009, 01:18 AM

In "Tatini muda"

Daskalot · 02-19-2009, 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Вардарец

In "Tatini muda"

made gol na site dushmani..... lazhat cel den....

Diabolical · 02-19-2009, 04:50 AM

what is a "vojvoda"?

Soldier of Macedon · 02-19-2009, 05:02 AM

Vojvoda is a warlord.

My apologies, I made the assumption that you are a Macedonian. What is your background?

Magedon · 02-19-2009, 05:13 AM

A proper english equivalent would be a DUKE - but there is no really a proper equiv.

VojVoda would be the one who VODI (leads) the V(B)OJ (battle; the word VOJNA (war) is from the same branch) - VOD is also a smaller brigande of warriors who usually have a VojVoda as a leader. VODA is also WATER and is the root word for all these others, cuz the water in rivers LEADS THE WAY FORWARD. VODICH means GUIDE.

Diabolical · 02-19-2009, 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soldier of Macedon

Vojvoda is a warlord.

My apologies, I made the assumption that you are a Macedonian. What is your background?

...

I am Macedonian... sorry, I have only recently begun to look into Macedonian history... It's something that has begun to interest me very much, but my knowledge is very hazy, so you guys will have to bear with me, at least for a little while

While on the topic of vojvodi, the term wouldn't have been used to refer to the IMRO members, would it?

Soldier of Macedon · 02-19-2009, 07:11 AM

The people of VMRO were called 'Komiti' or 'Komitadji', as they were members of the 'Komitet' (Committee). A group of Komiti were called a 'Cheta', and the leader of the group was the Vojvoda, which literally means 'War Leader' but the best equivalent in English is 'Warlord' or also 'Duke' as Magedon stated.

Diabolical · 02-19-2009, 07:15 AM

Got it

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Rogi · 02-19-2009, 07:54 AM

If you're going to write about it, use the word Duke. It is most accurate and better received - the term warlord has negative conotations.

These men were brave heroes, fighting for freedom and justice and many of them were educated around the world (i.e. there were komiti who had studied at Sorbonne University in France, which was at the time among, if not the most esteemed University in the world).

Remember, they wrote the Krushevo Manifesto, which represents the most forward thinking ideology of the time for the region and beyond, and can be still seen as very forward thinking and progressive even by today's standards.

02-19-2009, 01:18 AM	#2
Вардарец Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 122	In "Tatini muda" __________________ For the glory of the Hellenes! Abandon orthodoxy and join your true religion! http://www.hellenicreligion.gr/... Zeus awaits you!

02-19-2009, 05:02 AM	#5
Soldier of Macedon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Macedonian Outpost Posts: 13,660	Vojvoda is a warlord. My apologies, I made the assumption that you are a Macedonian. What is your background? __________________ In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

02-19-2009, 05:13 AM	#6
Magedon Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Skopje, FREE MAKEDONIJA!!! Posts: 50	A proper english equivalent would be a DUKE - but there is no really a proper equiv. VojVoda would be the one who VODI (leads) the V(B)OJ (battle; the word VOJNA (war) is from the same branch) - VOD is also a smaller brigande of warriors who usually have a VojVoda as a leader. VODA is also WATER and is the root word for all these others, cuz the water in rivers LEADS THE WAY FORWARD. VODICH means GUIDE. __________________ Makedonsko devojche, kitka sharena; od gradina nabrana - dar podarena - IMA LI ?????

02-19-2009, 07:11 AM	#8
Soldier of Macedon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Macedonian Outpost Posts: 13,660	The people of VMRO were called 'Komiti' or 'Komitadji', as they were members of the 'Komitet' (Committee). A group of Komiti were called a 'Cheta', and the leader of the group was the Vojvoda, which literally means 'War Leader' but the best equivalent in English is 'Warlord' or also 'Duke' as Magedon stated. __________________ In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

02-19-2009, 04:50 AM	#4
Diabolical Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 50	what is a "vojvoda"?

02-19-2009, 07:15 AM	#9
Diabolical Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 50	Got it .

02-19-2009, 07:54 AM	#10
Rogi Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,343	If you're going to write about it, use the word Duke. It is most accurate and better received - the term warlord has negative conotations. These men were brave heroes, fighting for freedom and justice and many of them were educated around the world (i.e. there were komiti who had studied at Sorbonne University in France, which was at the time among, if not the most esteemed University in the world). Remember, they wrote the Krushevo Manifesto, which represents the most forward thinking ideology of the time for the region and beyond, and can be still seen as very forward thinking and progressive even by today's standards.

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