Dedo Iljo Vojvoda fought with his 206 Macedonians!

[Daskalot]

This quote is taken from a Serbian book about the Serbian-Bulgarian war of 1885.
Somehow Macedonians are to be found in it......



Source: "Istorija srpsko-bugarskog rata 1885" By Vladan Đorđević, 1908, page 389.

Brief translation into English:

In that cheta there were 206 Macedonians under the command of pop Georgijeva and Dedo Iljo Vojvoda...

There were Macedonians fighting in the war of 1885, where was Tito?

[Вардарец]

In "Tatini muda"

[Daskalot]

In "Tatini muda"

made gol na site dushmani..... lazhat cel den....

[Diabolical]

what is a "vojvoda"?

[Soldier of Macedon]

Vojvoda is a warlord.

My apologies, I made the assumption that you are a Macedonian. What is your background?

[Magedon]

A proper english equivalent would be a DUKE - but there is no really a proper equiv.

VojVoda would be the one who VODI (leads) the V(B)OJ (battle; the word VOJNA (war) is from the same branch) - VOD is also a smaller brigande of warriors who usually have a VojVoda as a leader. VODA is also WATER and is the root word for all these others, cuz the water in rivers LEADS THE WAY FORWARD. VODICH means GUIDE.

[Diabolical]

Vojvoda is a warlord.

My apologies, I made the assumption that you are a Macedonian. What is your background?

...

I am Macedonian... sorry, I have only recently begun to look into Macedonian history... It's something that has begun to interest me very much, but my knowledge is very hazy, so you guys will have to bear with me, at least for a little while

While on the topic of vojvodi, the term wouldn't have been used to refer to the IMRO members, would it?

[Soldier of Macedon]

The people of VMRO were called 'Komiti' or 'Komitadji', as they were members of the 'Komitet' (Committee). A group of Komiti were called a 'Cheta', and the leader of the group was the Vojvoda, which literally means 'War Leader' but the best equivalent in English is 'Warlord' or also 'Duke' as Magedon stated.

[Diabolical]

Got it .

[Rogi]

If you're going to write about it, use the word Duke. It is most accurate and better received - the term warlord has negative conotations.

These men were brave heroes, fighting for freedom and justice and many of them were educated around the world (i.e. there were komiti who had studied at Sorbonne University in France, which was at the time among, if not the most esteemed University in the world).

Remember, they wrote the Krushevo Manifesto, which represents the most forward thinking ideology of the time for the region and beyond, and can be still seen as very forward thinking and progressive even by today's standards.

[Pelister]

If you're going to write about it, use the word Duke. It is most accurate and better received - the term warlord has negative conotations.

The term warlord is historically accurate.

Use of the term "Duke" would be an anachronism, both unrepresentative and misleading. You and UMD can shove your self proclaimed political correctness up your arses. Just a small window into your mind, and a brief example of how UMD intends to white-wash Macedonian history.

[Pelister]

Read "Macedonia and the Macedonians in the Eastern Crisis" by Manol Pandevski.

It talks alot about the Macedonian volunteer fighters in Serbia, Romania and later Bulgaria, and Dedo Ilija, fighting under Russian millitary command.

This was the same guy who joined forces with the Macedonian warrior priest, Berovski, in 1878 in Pirin Macedonia. Together, with about 400 Macedonians, they stormed a Turkish garrison in 1878 to mark the beginning of the Kresna/Razlog uprising.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Is the Dedo Iljo cited in this source the same Dedo Iljo Maleshevski? The below link says that he is also know as Pop Gorgiev.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilyo_Voyvoda

Wikipedia has seriously gone down the drain, now even Dedo Iljo is a 'Bulgar' as Bulgarian lies and historical manipulations are accepted without an argument. Apart from the light reference, Wikipedia is next to useless.

[Diabolical]

I'll look into it, thanks Pelister

SoM, it is indeed a joke, you'll be hardpressed to find a Macedonian from before 1940 on Wikipedia... unless it's the Macedonian Wikipedia... unfortunately, it's underdeveloped.

[Soldier of Macedon]

No Diabolical, you wouldn't be hard pressed to find a Macedonian before 1940 on Wikipedia, you would be hard pressed to find an article about a Macedonian that has not been severely distorted by a Greek or Bulgar racist.

Where did you get the 1940 figure my friend?