Soros, NGOs and Western/foreign meddling in Macedonia

[indigen]

Originally Posted by OziMak

Prolet…You are right that we have all suspected as much. It is why I have said in the past that it is not easy to rout out all the traitors…they are embedded in many fields and each support each other.

Yes, very true and you and Prolet may well be one of those embedded to prosecute the treasonous agenda by being apologists for the said traitors, IMHO! :-)

I see this government as the first in a long time to truly have their heart in the right place and sincerely hope that they do rout out all disgusting traitors whatever their current position may be.

You are kidding, no? :-)
For one, it is a RAMKOVIST government with UCK TERRORISTS holding ministerial positions of power. Secondly, it is ready to sell us out on the name and is openly endorsing the TREASONOUS "Interim Agreement" and SINGING PRAISES to the "Ramkoven dogovor" and the multi, multi-ethnic (i.e. no longer a Macedonian national state) resultant deconstructed state it produced. And the list goes on.

I believe it is possible and I believe this is the government that can do it.

Yes, I do believe they will sell us out without blinking an eye!

Just as important I also hope that the names of these and all other traitors are listed and kept for posterity that all may know them and point at them and say gnasni predavnici and spit. I would also like to see the jailed for decades.

It would also be good to know the names of their apologist, like you and P.! :-)

[Makedonska_Kafana]

the word that best describes that foundation - kurvi

[Prolet]

Spolaj Ti Indigen for your kind words :-)

You are well aware of the Soros foundation and the harm that its done to our country. None of those people who are signing the Ohrid Accord are in Government, i think Aleksandar Bicikliski is right on the money when he talks about Soros and his crony Vladimir Milcin.

[indigen]

Originally Posted by Prolet

Spolaj Ti Indigen for your kind words :-)

I am glad you enjoyed that and I happy to oblige you! :-)

You know what was the trigger for my little outbirst? It was seeing "VMRO" in your topic title and I could not stand for this relatively sacred Macedonian name and symbol being prostituted by politicians such as the opportunists and traitors of the dpmne ramkovist ilk, amongst others.

You are well aware of the Soros foundation and the harm that its done to our country. None of those people who are signing the Ohrid Accord are in Government, i think Aleksandar Bicikliski is right on the money when he talks about Soros and his crony Vladimir Milcin.

I am well aware of SOROSoidi and their agendas, P., but Miloshoski is in the frame of the picture above (as well as being a Bugaroman), right behind LG, and Gruevski voted for the "Ramkoven dogovor" as part of the then Government and now they are implementing it to the finest detail (not to mention that they heap praise on its "merits"!).

As for moral corruption of dpmne, I am convinced whoever is the appointed director of the MTV NEWS, judging by what I can deduce from their broadcasts in Australia via SBS, is one big RASIPAN ZHENKAR! :-) Watch the broadcasts and see if you can observe why I say that and if you need me to elaborate, I shall oblige. :-)

Secondly, MTV is clearly, IMO, being used as a party organ of the DPMNE government.

[fyrOM]

Indigen you are an idiot. According to you everyone is a traitor or a apologist unless they exactly agree with everything you say. Your self righteous indignation is old and boring. You wont even bother to discuss a differing point of view after all what’s the point of dong that if they differ from you they must be a traitor or apologist for the traitors right.

Indigen you are not alone you and others on this site appear to me as what I call right wrong people…this is right that is wrong this is my friend and that is my enemy…are you for this are you against that…very clear cut and totally unambiguous…clear and simple. You have a hard time understanding let alone accepting other peoples views unless they neatly fall into your neat black and white categories. You know the saying simple minds simple thoughts…well the same can be said in reverse…by arguing in simplistic terms you betray the simple mind that you are.

Lets say for argument sake Ivanov and Gruevski are true patriots…I know you don’t believe it and have said such but lets for argument sake.

Late 2008 they win the election. Can you understand that all the traitors already have had their positions for a long time before the government got into power. Should the government then declare everyone they suspect as enemies and not work with them as you seem to take every act of working with them as proof the government is corrupt and treacherous and will sell us out. How do you imagine the country will work if the government refuses to work with the various departments the judiciary the media the opposition.

You may have heard supposedly in the soviet union or china when one president took power all those in various positions who were appointed by the presidents predecessor were in jeopardy not only of loosing their jobs but sometimes there lives…just round them up and make them disappear in Siberia or death. Can you understand the government cannot do this without digging up proof while at the same time not acting too hastily in their zeal to uproot one traitor lest this action alerts and affords another to hide. It takes time and effort. Remember the government only came in power at the end of 2008 and now we are at the end of 2010. How quick did you think they could move. Did you not think in the meantime they would work with the traitors until they dug around their roots. Ah the good old days…got a problem fix it…fast and simple. Like I sad before it also works in reverse…simple thoughts shows a simple mind.

Do you remember a while ago I wrote about the Australian thing. Couple this with a simple mind stir with a few events they cannot understand and you have the rabinous rantings everyone’s a traitor or apologist unless they totally agree with you and are prepared to clearly state it at every given moment.

MakedonskaKafana…even kurvi have their place in the world…and some can be quite fun too. did i need to say that.

[Rogi]

This figure of 300k is a gross understatement.

The capital for the purchase and founding of the major newspapers et al, which together cover well over 75% of the media in Macedonia, came from from Soros and related groups.

Though, to add to Indigen's point, it is also quite hypocritical for VMRO-DPMNE to be making thse claims, when they have spent substantial amounts buying media air-time to promote themselves and then there's of course Latas who publishes whatever opinion the Gov asks him to have.

But of course, in a comparison of evils, the Sorosoids carry the most despicable anti-Macedonian agenda and this information does need to come out, regardless of who releases their dossiers first.

[Risto the Great]

Originally Posted by OziMak

Indigen you are an idiot. According to you everyone is a traitor or a apologist unless they exactly agree with everything you say.

OM, I find myself agreeing with much of what Indigen has to say. Which must make me an idiot as well. What you fail to realise is that many of the conclusions that Indigen has made on matters of ideology are based on extremely sound principles based on inalienable rights.

Perhaps you should measure actions of people against the Macedonian Cause. If they fail any of the fundamental concepts there, then they are wrong. Plain and simple.

[Prolet]

Rogi, You can spend billions of dollars on advertising your political party aswell as giving informative news about what people need to do to get certain things done, how to get an id card,passport,government subsidies,how to enroll their kids to schools etc I would love to see similar SDSM Ads for them doing something good for our people and showing it on TV, we see it all the time from Labor,Liberals even the Greens. When new laws come into place they inform the public, but they dont go and hire so called experts from Slovenija and pay them hundreds of thousands of euros just so they can give them "Expert Advise" on toppling a democratically elected Government aswell as showing them how to spew vicious Anti-Macedonian propaganda, thats working against the country dont you think??

Branko Crvenkovski with the Soros Foundation payed Slovenian experts on how to topple the Government and they got advise how to form NGO's and control them.

One of their controlled NGO, GEM (Gragjani za Evropska Makedonija) where they are not even registered to begin with, has openly called for our country to change our name in many of their open forums.

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[indigen]

Originally Posted by OziMak

Indigen you are an idiot.

What a boring self-important nitwit like YOU, with a propensity to spew long-winded posts filled with verbal diarrhoea, thinks of myself and those of similar political views matters very little to me! What does matter is that YOU ARE AN APOLOGIST and AN ADVOCATE FOR VASSAL ANTI-MACEDONIAN POLITICAL IDEOLOGY and the political implementation of ALL the resultant de-constructive capitulations emanating from that standpoint. I see in YOU a BOOSTER FOR "UMD" and CAPITULATIONIST IDEOLOGY/POLITICS!

According to you everyone is a traitor or a apologist unless they exactly agree with everything you say.

No I do not, but there are some ESSENTIAL MACEDONIAN NATIONAL INTERESTS that ANY MACEDONIAN with an iota of Macedonian patriotism in them would never ever consider giving them up or condoning those that do!

Your self righteous indignation is old and boring. You wont even bother to discuss a differing point of view after all what’s the point of dong that if they differ from you they must be a traitor or apologist for the traitors right.

As I told you long ago, MACEDONIANS in Australia (and the Diaspora in general) rightly CONDEMNED ALL THOSE ACTS OF TREASON AND CAPITULATION via MASS MEETINGS organised by REPRESENTATIVE MACEDONIAN COMMUNITY ORGANISATIONS at the time they occurred. I certainly do not feel out of step ideologically from the mainstream Macedonian Diaspora on any of these issues. Political hermits or newly spawned Ramkovist hatchlings (or dushmani/provocateurs) such as yourself need to face these facts.

[fyrOM]

RTG re read Indigens post and then ask your self was the vitriol in my post due to difference in policy view or in response to a personal attack ie firstly accusing me of being an apologist for some supposed wrong…this could be discussed civilly…but MOST importantly putting me in the same level as those journalists who are virtually proven traitors and as I said should with all other traitor be branded for life and recorded in the history books so that all Macedonians forever may know their deeds. Now think of your post and I’m sure you realise the difference. That post could not have gone unanswered. Having a different point of view is one thing which can and should be discussed civilly with logic and reason.

The point I was making or trying to was if traitors hold positions of power you cannot just grab them until you have proof. If you are in a position of power it is inevitable you will have to deal with others who are also in positions of power even if you know they are traitors eg recent news in Vest high ranking judges are in question yet by law neither the President nor the Prime Minister nor anyone else for that matter can act above the law. The government has to deal with the judiciary. If the government acted out of hand they could find themselves before another judge who could also be a traitor yet unknown. If a judge or judges are later proven to be traitors does it make the government traitors.

We need not see every interaction between the government and others of positions of power including members in their own cabinet as absolute proof the government is also a traitor. If you dance with gnasni you are probably gnsen too but sometimes patriots dance with gnasni to catch them out be it covertly or openly as the government is doing.

This government has done much to point towards the conclusion they are no traitors. If this is in doubt then it is a matter that can be discussed but blatant direct accusations of being a traitor cannot and should not go unanswered. Even a real f.ed up traitor would respond let alone someone who isnt.