COVID-19 Pandemic

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

Did he mention the penis shaped magnet stuck in his arse...?

Gocka..I tend to agree with you, the Americans seem to come to the party a little late in most cases but...

The Soviets were the first to put a man into space but the Americans put a man on the moon and ended the space race before the moon-dust had settled around Armstrong's boots...

The Yanks entered WWII after dragging their arse around for a while only to end it by vaporising Japs by the tens of thousands ...

When shit needs to be done, nobody can throw the kitchen sink at the problem like the US can...when I hear people (mostly women) trying to tear down the Donald and gloat about how the US (under his leadership) will face an existential (corona virus) crisis...I just remind them of the US's unique ability to get shit done when the proverbial hits the fan...

I'm not sure if I'm reading this correctly. Did Phoenix just say that the evil Americans are capable of doing something right?

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by Gocka

Its quite frustrating actually to witness and be a part of. Sometimes you wish you could just slam the fist down and rule by decree, it has its uses in these kind of moments. In the long run you realize if you want democracy in good times, then you need to tolerate its inefficiency in times of crisis.

Its not inefficiency, its working through the best possible solution. China is the epitome of inefficiency. If they allowed free speech and dissent they would have been on top of this when those first doctors discovered it.

[Vangelovski]

I do think Australia might be the first to develop a vaccine, if Macedonia hasn't already.

We did win the swine flu vaccine race:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/u...mpetition.html

Unfortunately, the Americans had to wait until we had produced enough for us.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Vangelovski

I'm not sure if I'm reading this correctly. Did Phoenix just say that the evil Americans are capable of doing something right?

I have a fever...

[Gocka]

Originally Posted by Vangelovski

I'm not sure if I'm reading this correctly. Did Phoenix just say that the evil Americans are capable of doing something right?

HAHA You had to say something., I checked the user name twice before replying. These are difficult times, he might be under a lot of stress.

Originally Posted by Vangelovski

Its not inefficiency, its working through the best possible solution. China is the epitome of inefficiency. If they allowed free speech and dissent they would have been on top of this when those first doctors discovered it.

I have to disagree with you on that one. Yes China dragged its feet in admitting and taking steps to mitigate the spread at first, but once it got its shit together they contained the virus in an impressive fashion. Everyone knows their official numbers are bullshit, but the USA estimates between 100,000 to 240,000 deaths, and many would argue that is a bit optimistic. Even if we take nearly half that range and convert it to deaths per million we are at 500 deaths per million. That is at least 3 times Italy's death toll which is horrendous. In order for China to have had anything near that those numbers, around 700,000 people would have had to die to have the same deaths per million as the USA is estimating ti will have. Even if you don't believe China's numbers by a factor of 100, they did a much better job. There is no way they were able to hide 100's of thousands of deaths. The virus has already spread to every corner of the USA, China contained it to a couple regions.

If the USA was efficient it would have started preparing 2 months ago, not less than 2 weeks ago when the virus had already started spreading. Even now the response lags for behind whats needed. States are bidding against each other for medical equipment, bidding up the price, sometimes along with the federal government. Lock downs are mostly voluntary and inconsistent. China went full draconian really fast and honestly pulled off some feat considering the size of its population and the density of its cities.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...es/2938374001/

The USA may end up having the highest deaths per capita in the industrialized world. On top of that because of poor planning and slow reaction, their economy will end up paralyzed for much longer than what could have been possible. Considering the vast resources the USA has and the power of its federal government, I consider the reaction to all of this a bit pathetic. Sure they can do some things with flare like bring in giant hospital ships but the vast majority of their actions were too little too late. They had months to foresee that this would spread here.

I hope to god everyone is wrong and that the death toll will be multiples lower than projected, and maybe time will tell, but I can't possibly say that they have been efficient with anything to date.

Originally Posted by Phoenix

I have a fever...

LMAO good one.

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by Gocka

HAHA You had to say something., I checked the user name twice before replying. These are difficult times, he might be under a lot of stress.



I have to disagree with you on that one. Yes China dragged its feet in admitting and taking steps to mitigate the spread at first, but once it got its shit together they contained the virus in an impressive fashion. Everyone knows their official numbers are bullshit, but the USA estimates between 100,000 to 240,000 deaths, and many would argue that is a bit optimistic. Even if we take nearly half that range and convert it to deaths per million we are at 500 deaths per million. That is at least 3 times Italy's death toll which is horrendous. In order for China to have had anything near that those numbers, around 700,000 people would have had to die to have the same deaths per million as the USA is estimating ti will have. Even if you don't believe China's numbers by a factor of 100, they did a much better job. There is no way they were able to hide 100's of thousands of deaths. The virus has already spread to every corner of the USA, China contained it to a couple regions.

If the USA was efficient it would have started preparing 2 months ago, not less than 2 weeks ago when the virus had already started spreading. Even now the response lags for behind whats needed. States are bidding against each other for medical equipment, bidding up the price, sometimes along with the federal government. Lock downs are mostly voluntary and inconsistent. China went full draconian really fast and honestly pulled off some feat considering the size of its population and the density of its cities.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...es/2938374001/

The USA may end up having the highest deaths per capita in the industrialized world. On top of that because of poor planning and slow reaction, their economy will end up paralyzed for much longer than what could have been possible. Considering the vast resources the USA has and the power of its federal government, I consider the reaction to all of this a bit pathetic. Sure they can do some things with flare like bring in giant hospital ships but the vast majority of their actions were too little too late. They had months to foresee that this would spread here.

I hope to god everyone is wrong and that the death toll will be multiples lower than projected, and maybe time will tell, but I can't possibly say that they have been efficient with anything to date.




LMAO good one.

I think your focusing in on one tiny facet of a very temporary crisis (though I still disagree with you even on that). If you compare a democracy with totalitarianism across the whole spectrum, we've killed far less people, created far more prosperity and enjoyed a superior quality of life. You're far better of in the US than under a totalitarian system, with or without coronavirus.

[Gocka]

Originally Posted by Vangelovski

I think your focusing in on one tiny facet of a very temporary crisis. If you compare a democracy with totalitarianism across the whole spectrum, we've killed far less people, created far more prosperity and enjoyed a superior quality of life. You're far better of in the US than under a totalitarian system, with or without coronavirus.

LOL no disagreement there. I thought we were talking about the Covid outbreak specifically. I originally commented on the inefficiency in terms of the response to this crisis, then I said you need to tolerate the inefficiency in times of crisis like this because in better times you will want your democracy. I wouldn't give up my American way of life for the Chinese or Russian model in a million years.

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

I have a fever...

You know what's good for that? Zelka. Wrap it around your head. Ke ja izvleci silata.

[Vangelovski]

Originally Posted by Gocka

LOL no disagreement there. I thought we were talking about the Covid outbreak specifically. I originally commented on the inefficiency in terms of the response to this crisis, then I said you need to tolerate the inefficiency in times of crisis like this because in better times you will want your democracy. I wouldn't give up my American way of life for the Chinese or Russian model in a million years.

Even with coronavirus, I think the American response will come out far superior (not perfect, none are perfect). We still don't know what's really happening in China. All this will take some years to come out.

[Risto the Great]

Originally Posted by Vangelovski

We still don't know what's really happening in China. All this will take some years to come out.

They quote 3000 deaths but can't keep up with the urn requirements for the cremations closer to 100,000.