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Old 06-13-2016, 11:24 AM   #601
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This is DPMNE's delegation at a recent conference in Sofia,Bulgaria.
They obviously come from Skopje and not the Republic of Macedonia.
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Old 06-14-2016, 01:04 AM   #602
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Greeks would have walked out.
Ours take it, they are experts at taking it.
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You know,in a way DPMNE remind me of this story my grandpa (god rest his soul) used to tell me when i was a kid.

A farmer bought a fruit tree and planted it in the middle of his orchard.He was told that it's fruits were the sweetest there were and he focused his attention to it,neglecting his other trees (watering,fertilizing,treatment...) because he wanted to taste these fruits as soon as possible and see for himself how good they were.
So in time the tree grew bigger and stronger and grew some fruit.And they really were tasty and sweet as he was told.But in a short while the tree stopped giving fruit.The farmer started to water it and fertilize it even more in order to get a hold of some more of this wonderful fruit, but it simply wouldn't produce.Each year he would say to himself "OK,this year it didn't grow fruit but next year I'll take better care of it and it will."
Years passed.The tree grew bigger and bigger and soon it's shadow covered all the other fruit trees in the orchard and they stopped thriving and producing fruit too due to the lack of sunlight.But even then the farmer refused to lose hope and stubbornly continued to take care of it.
That's when my grandpa would say to me,"if you were that farmer,you'd know what to do,wouldn't you? How long would you wait to do it?"

Except here,DPMNE never really produced any "fruit" in the first place.They just got the best spot in the orchard with empty promises.
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I agree, all Macedonian politicians should be cut up and used for firewood.
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Macedonia to Count Cost of Paint Ball Protests

The government has ordered an evaluation of the damage done to official buildings and monuments as a result of protesters' paint balls - further annoying the protesters themselves.
Sinisa Jakov Marusic

As anti-government protesters count the days until a Saturday deadline for the fulfillment of their demands for change, the government has told the Bureau of Court Forensics to evaluate the damage done to buildings and monuments from more than two months of protests that have became known for their use of paint balls.

The government in a press release said it had given the Forensics Bureau 30 days for “an evaluation of the damages done to the administrative buildings of state institutions, of municipalities, monuments, squares and other buildings in Macedonia.”

During the protests that were sparked by the recently withdrawn presidential pardon of 56 top politicians, most of whom come from the ruling VMRO DPMNE party, many buildings and monuments that were symbolic of the ten-year rule of the party were pelted with paint balls or sprayed with toy water guns filled with paint.

Among the buildings that have been "painted" in this way are the government HQ, the parliament, the Skopje city administration building, the Foreign, Justice and Culture ministries, the Constitutional Court, the State Prosecution Office and others.

Among the most frequent targets were also the monuments that form part of the grand government-sponsored revamp of the capital known as “Skopje 2014”, which critics see as a waste of money in one of Europe’s poorest countries.

The new triumphal arch, monuments that were placed opposite the parliament, the giant equestrian statue of Alexander the Great as well as one expensive bronze bridge fence were all repeatedly painted.

Protesters called the move to assess the cost of the paint ball attacks a deliberate provocation.

“What about the damage done by this government?” Zdravko Saveski, a participant in the protests and one of the leaders of the recently formed leftist Levica party, asked.

“The government is the last one with any right to evaluate damage,” he said.

Saveski, who spent 45 days in house detention in relation to charges that he participated in a mob attack on May 12 and 13 on the President’s office in Skopje, said the move was “yet another attempt to intimidate protesters”.

A political science professor at the state Sts Cyril and Methodius University in Skopje, Ana Cupeska, told Plus Info news portal that painting facades and monuments “should not be considered as illegal but as an act of defiance against injustice”.

The crisis in Macedonia revolves around opposition claims that the government formerly led by VMRO DPMNE chief Gruevski was responsible for the illegal wiretapping of over 20,000 people, amongst other crimes.

Gruevski, who took power in 2006 and resigned as prime minister earlier this year under the terms of the EU-brokered accord, claims that unnamed foreign intelligence services “fabricated” the wiretapping tapes and gave them to the opposition to destabilise the country.
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How low can DPMNE get in discrediting the protesters?

This morning all government and pro-government media issued a shocking news that 2 ambulance vehicles transporting "life-endangered" patients were stuck at the protesters' blockade on an intersection in Skopje and they had to go around "risking further the lives of the patients by losing valuable time" because the protesters refused to let them through.

However,images taken at the scene show the ambulance vehicles not only empty (no patients whatsoever),but also with a clear path in front of them in order to pass:





Moreover,photos show that the driver of one of the ambulances was a prominent member of DPMNE from the Skopje municipality of Butel (employed in the ER):





How sick do you have to be to abuse emergency vehicles,that by chance might have been in true need elsewhere at that time,for gaining political points and discrediting not only your political opponents but also the random people that came out to show their disagreement?
This is unbelievable and just shows the desperation of the ruling party to hold on to their seats using any possible means.
I am simply stunned.Couldn't believe someone could fall so low...
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Old 06-20-2016, 06:35 AM   #607
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On last night's celebration of DPMNE's "birthday" (26 years of it's forming),Grujo held a somewhat warning speech regarding the current political situation in which he stated:
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As much as I and my collaborators are tolerant and sympathetic to solve problems through dialogue and democratic methods, I will not be able to hold the situation under control. The people are near a boiling point and can get fed up and we'll enter into a new phase, which will not be good for the country, least for those who pretend to be some kind of revolutionaries for hard cash and foreign interests...
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...the majority of the people that are not part of the Soros' mercenaries are losing their patience for the crisis to be resolved by democratic methods and require more decisive actions from the party (DPMNE).
By "the majority of the people" I guess he meant his supporters from GDOM (People's Movement for the Defence of Macedonia, the counterprotesters,mostly DPMNE members,sympathizers,and public employees),who gathered this morning in front of the court to express their support for the DPMNE mayor of Bitola Vladimir Taleski (suspect in one of the Special Prosecutors' cases),who is to be placed under house arrest.At the same time they also added that "if the ordered court decisions continue,the people will go inside the court and ask for answers".

Will this lunatic really reach for a civil war in order to keep himself in power?
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Bailey seeks to recruit judges obedient to US Embassy
Tuesday, 21 June 2016

The US Embassy is seeking to recruit judges that will be obedient and respond positively to all fabricated cases by the anti-consitutional SPO led by Katica Janeva (6.24).

Last night, over 20,000 Macedonians from the GDOM movement gathered in front of the High Court to give courage to the judges not to fall to threats by the SDSM and their sponsors, the US and British Embassies.

"The independence of our Courts means that no judge can carry out their duties if they are being threatened, blackmailed or if they expect to gain a financial or business advantage by ruling in favor of either side. Because of this, you cannot succumb to any pressure, whether internal or external" Justice must be equal for all. It is unacceptable for laws to be applied only to one segment of our citizenry and ignored for others" - stated GDOM in their declaration.

The gathering of GDOM comes as a response to Soros owned media sending an informational probe balloon to see the reaction of the public by stating the US was working to recruit "special judges" that will be independent from the judicial system, which is another anti-constitutional body and yet another illegal institution.

What the US Embassy is essentially recruiting is morally bankrupt judges that will be obedient and de facto help Janeva send MPs from the ruling Government to jail despite not having any evidence of wrongdoing.

Numerous judges have thrown out over a dozen cases brought by SPO team for not having a shred of evidence. Some judges (most recently Pop Stefanova) asked whether the SPO had any knowledge of the law while she threw out Janeva's fabricated case against Janakievski.

The most outrageous example is SPO's fabricated case against Bitola mayor V. Taleski who is being prosecuted for legally charging out of town students a 40 denars transportation fee (90 cents), while the SPO is not prosecuting Strumica mayor Zoran Zaev who is charging out of town students four times higher at 160 denars ($3.75) for the exact same transportation fee.

The Macedonian president Gjorgji Ivanov publicly admitted the US Ambassador Jess Bailey was visiting and phoning Skopje Courts exerting pressure on judges to accept Janeva's fabricated cases against the Government. "This is way outside what is allowed for a foreign diplomat" said Ivanov then.

- The US Embassy also knows the forced upon and illegal insertion of the "Special Prosecution Office" may not last very long. The Macedonian Constitutional Court may cut the cord and end the SPO, as everyone is aware, it is anti-constitutional and unlawful body - reports Dnevnik. To this end, the US wants to replace Marko Zvrlevski who apparently was neither morally bankrupt nor obedient to Bailey, which was a problem moving forward with the final phase of the coup.

Former Court council head Branko Ushkovski says pretty soon we'll need special attorneys, then special MPs. - Even these speculations are quite dangerous. We are putting pressure on judges, trying to separate them on 'good' and 'bad' some serving one cause, others different case. This in itself is pressure that ought to be sanctioned, says Ushkovski.
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...Last night, over 20,000 Macedonians...
Two vital misinformation in a handful of words by MINA.
Firstly, GDOM didn't gather during the night, but in the morning.
Secondly,here are the "20.000" people:

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...from the GDOM movement gathered in front of the High Court ...
"Gathered" seems too mild of a word,"pushed" or "pressured" would be more appropriate,since once again the public workers were excused from their working hours and instructed to come via SMS in buses like cattle, as always.
Which reminds me of a story my grandpa used to tell me,about how Tito was manipulated during his visits through Macedonia in the days of Yugoslavia.Tito would come and inspect the countryside and mayors would show him the sheep and cattle in every village.However,when he left,the mayor rounded up those sheep and cattle and brought them in the next village/town Tito visited so that the mayor there would show him how many sheep and cattle they have.And to the next,and to the next...While in fact,Tito was looking at the same sheep and cattle all the time.
Ring any bells?
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"The independence of our Courts means that no judge can carry out their duties if they are being threatened, blackmailed or if they expect to gain a financial or business advantage by ruling in favor of either side. Because of this, you cannot succumb to any pressure, whether internal or external. Justice must be equal for all. It is unacceptable for laws to be applied only to one segment of our citizenry and ignored for others" - stated GDOM in their declaration.
Pretty ironic, the above statement coming from GDOM (DPMNE)...
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What the US Embassy is essentially recruiting is morally bankrupt judges that will be obedient and de facto help Janeva send MPs from the ruling Government to jail despite not having any evidence of wrongdoing.
Another pretentious & uncorroborated speculation from MINA.
How would MINA know there are no evidence of wrongdoing? Do they conduct the investigations? Do they have insight in the evidence materials?
Oh wait,they're instructed to fabricate crap like this by their employers (DPMNE).My bad.
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Numerous judges have thrown out over a dozen cases brought by SPO team for not having a shred of evidence. Some judges (most recently Pop Stefanova) asked whether the SPO had any knowledge of the law while she threw out Janeva's fabricated case against Janakievski.
This is a newly appointed judge that got in office only some 2 months ago(?!),coincidently just around the time the pardons were announced,and suddenly after Ivanov withdrew them she questions the SPO and the judge that previously (before Ivanov's amnesty) accepted the evidence as valid and ruled against Janakievski...
Coincidence?
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- The US Embassy also knows the forced upon and illegal insertion of the "Special Prosecution Office" may not last very long. The Macedonian Constitutional Court may cut the cord and end the SPO...
That's what Grujo & co are hoping for now,since their amnesty plan failed and this would be their final,desperate attempt to save their skins from long prison terms.
This is their Alamo,their last stand.
And remembering that it was the Constitutional Court that enabled Ivanov to pardon them (with their express ruling in perfect timing) in the first place,we have a pretty good idea which side they lean toward...
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Pro opposition protestors call for boycott of Parliament

http://www.mia.mk/en/Inside/RenderSi...s/61/133226344

Unfortunately for some reason I don't seem able to copy and paste the article in the link here, if any one can, please do.
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