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vicsinad · 04-12-2016, 01:00 PM

What a joke. I can't believe the Macedonian people will allow this pathetic show to continue.

Risto the Great · 04-12-2016, 06:35 PM

I cannot believe I just read that. It is time for a government in exile. It can be done. It's time.

VMRO · 04-12-2016, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Risto the Great

I cannot believe I just read that. It is time for a government in exile. It can be done. It's time.

Needs the reset button pushed.

Tomche Makedonche · 04-13-2016, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by VMRO

Needs the reset button pushed.

It would seem that is exactly what Ivanov believes he has just done, a 12 month reset.

I wonder how he envisions things will turn out this time around?

Vangelovski · 04-13-2016, 07:10 AM

The one thing that Macedonians have failed to understand is that you cannot have peace without justice. Peace at all costs has been driving them for the past 25 years and ironically, its this idea that prevents them from obtaining any peace.

vicsinad · 04-13-2016, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Vangelovski

The one thing that Macedonians have failed to understand is that you cannot have peace without justice. Peace at all costs has been driving them for the past 25 years and ironically, its this idea that prevents them from obtaining any peace.

This is true.

I read that some of the protestors were chanting "No Justice, No Peace." I don't know if they meant it in the same way as you do. I'm assuming that's what they meant.

Tomche Makedonche · 04-13-2016, 08:29 PM

I would say this move by DPNE is simply a response to Zajko/SDS’ refusal to go ahead with elections on the new June date proposed (having already gone against the agreement when he refused the original April date), which was one of the main stipulations that saw Gruevski agree to the Przino agreement.

Its clear what Zajko’s objective is here, to postpone elections, keeping Gruevski out of office and an interim or technical government in place as long as he can in order for the special prosecution to steadily reveal the corruptive behaviour of the regime and ultimately find Gruevski guilty of corruption. Its only with this eventuation, that is removing Gruevski from the political landscape all together, that Zajko (who is clearly just as corrupt as Gruevski, if not worse) would stand the slightest chance of obtaining a favourable result at elections (which will no doubt be riddled with electoral fraud as per the norm). Gruevski, through his own self motivated agenda, has made himself synonymous with DPNE, without Gruevski at the head, the party is likely to loose its majority favour or confidence with the general public, hence why DPNE cannot afford to allow Zajko the time required to succeed in ousting Gruevski and would want to wrap up elections as soon as possible.

So once again our political leaders prefer to play games with our country for their own self interests rather than govern to serve the best interests of the people.

As long as the Macedonian people allow this political culture to prevail, how can they ever expect to have justice in Macedonia?

DraganOfStip · 04-14-2016, 01:37 AM

The scariest part of all is that despite all the wrongdoings of both DPMNE and SDSM, Macedonians will still vote for them on the next elections (whenever they're held).Just look at the last elections in 2014 - 68,3% of the 1120744 voters gave their vote for these 2 parties.Or if you exclude the albanian votes,that percentage rises to over 80%!With this mindset one of these 2 parties will again win and will continue dragging Macedonia to the bottom like the past 25 years.I guess we deserve no better either.

vicsinad · 04-14-2016, 06:19 AM

Tomche:

I'm not sure if it is a response. Anyone remember the timeline? when did the Constitutional Court give the president the power to pardon criminals: before or after SDSM pulled out of the elections? I think Grujo and co. were trying to find a way to avoid prosecution and investigation since the special prosecution team began its work, and that it's not so much a response to Zaev pulling out of the election, but just a bunch of DPNME party elites looking out for each other.

Either way, it's all too disturbing. Clearly, Zaev knows he can't get into power through a vote (rigged or not). It seems like he won't stop short of throwing the country into chaos to get into power, and Grujo won't stop short of absolute dictatorship to hold onto power.

DraganOfStip · 04-14-2016, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by vicsinad

Tomche:

I'm not sure if it is a response. Anyone remember the timeline? when did the Constitutional Court give the president the power to pardon criminals: before or after SDSM pulled out of the elections? I think Grujo and co. were trying to find a way to avoid prosecution and investigation since the special prosecution team began its work, and that it's not so much a response to Zaev pulling out of the election, but just a bunch of DPNME party elites looking out for each other.

Either way, it's all too disturbing. Clearly, Zaev knows he can't get into power through a vote (rigged or not). It seems like he won't stop short of throwing the country into chaos to get into power, and Grujo won't stop short of absolute dictatorship to hold onto power.

That about sums it up.

04-12-2016, 06:35 PM	#482
Risto the Great Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Macedonian Colony of Australia Posts: 15,639	I cannot believe I just read that. It is time for a government in exile. It can be done. It's time. __________________ Risto the Great MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA "Holding my breath for the revolution." Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

04-13-2016, 07:10 AM	#485
Vangelovski Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,520	The one thing that Macedonians have failed to understand is that you cannot have peace without justice. Peace at all costs has been driving them for the past 25 years and ironically, its this idea that prevents them from obtaining any peace. __________________ If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14 The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

04-13-2016, 08:29 PM	#487
Tomche Makedonche Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Ostralija Posts: 1,123	I would say this move by DPNE is simply a response to Zajko/SDS’ refusal to go ahead with elections on the new June date proposed (having already gone against the agreement when he refused the original April date), which was one of the main stipulations that saw Gruevski agree to the Przino agreement. Its clear what Zajko’s objective is here, to postpone elections, keeping Gruevski out of office and an interim or technical government in place as long as he can in order for the special prosecution to steadily reveal the corruptive behaviour of the regime and ultimately find Gruevski guilty of corruption. Its only with this eventuation, that is removing Gruevski from the political landscape all together, that Zajko (who is clearly just as corrupt as Gruevski, if not worse) would stand the slightest chance of obtaining a favourable result at elections (which will no doubt be riddled with electoral fraud as per the norm). Gruevski, through his own self motivated agenda, has made himself synonymous with DPNE, without Gruevski at the head, the party is likely to loose its majority favour or confidence with the general public, hence why DPNE cannot afford to allow Zajko the time required to succeed in ousting Gruevski and would want to wrap up elections as soon as possible. So once again our political leaders prefer to play games with our country for their own self interests rather than govern to serve the best interests of the people. As long as the Macedonian people allow this political culture to prevail, how can they ever expect to have justice in Macedonia? __________________ “There’s a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part, you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus and you’ve got to make it stop, and you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all” - Mario Savio

04-14-2016, 01:37 AM	#488
DraganOfStip Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Malta Posts: 1,253	The scariest part of all is that despite all the wrongdoings of both DPMNE and SDSM, Macedonians will still vote for them on the next elections (whenever they're held).Just look at the last elections in 2014 - 68,3% of the 1120744 voters gave their vote for these 2 parties.Or if you exclude the albanian votes,that percentage rises to over 80%!With this mindset one of these 2 parties will again win and will continue dragging Macedonia to the bottom like the past 25 years.I guess we deserve no better either. __________________ ”A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices” ― George Orwell

04-12-2016, 01:00 PM	#481
vicsinad Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 2,337	What a joke. I can't believe the Macedonian people will allow this pathetic show to continue.

04-14-2016, 06:19 AM	#489
vicsinad Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 2,337	Tomche: I'm not sure if it is a response. Anyone remember the timeline? when did the Constitutional Court give the president the power to pardon criminals: before or after SDSM pulled out of the elections? I think Grujo and co. were trying to find a way to avoid prosecution and investigation since the special prosecution team began its work, and that it's not so much a response to Zaev pulling out of the election, but just a bunch of DPNME party elites looking out for each other. Either way, it's all too disturbing. Clearly, Zaev knows he can't get into power through a vote (rigged or not). It seems like he won't stop short of throwing the country into chaos to get into power, and Grujo won't stop short of absolute dictatorship to hold onto power.

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