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![]() It shows that the labels and terms used by the West, were in many ways deviating and inconsistent with the state of things on the ground, or did not fit into the classification the peasants were using for such terms.
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![]() That's very true Pelister. Many of the South Slavic speakers did in fact refer to themselves as Illyrians and their language as Illyrian or as SoM wrote Illyrski.
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![]() Here is an importan quote about what the meaning of Serb/Serv/Serf is, directly from the horses mouth so to say:
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So the Latin word for SERVUS/SERVI which means SLAVE/SLAVES is the name given to the SERBS of today. Simple isnt it? ![]() Please do also consider this, if the Latin word SERVUS has everything to do with the now National and Ethnic name of the modern Serbs so why would there not be a connection with the Latin word Vulgarus and the modern name of the Bulgars?
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![]() While the suggestion is worth consideration, one of the issues I have is the presence of variant names located outside of the Balkans, such as the Sorbs in Germany and Poland.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorbs The Romans couldn't possibly have given the name to those people, as they (Sorbs) are said to have split from the (Balkan) Serbs prior to the latter's crossing south of the Danube. A likely origin for the name is Iranic, given the lacking Slavic etymology: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serboi http://en.allexperts.com/e/s/se/serboi.htm Quote:
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The only misfortune with the Vulgarus i.e. Bulgarus is that it happened that there were Tartar people who had this name as their tribal name, thus the preexisting Vulgarus> peasant, commoner got mixed with the tribal Bulgar which most likely denote the origin place of this tribe, Volga river. The fortune it has it's own ways
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![]() That could probably be an acceptable theory, but it would need to be studied a little further. Check the below thread, Danube Bulgars weren't even called Bulgars by many (if any?) early writers.
http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...9870#post19870
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But if that is correct, what wikipedia states (I don't trust wiki) than, the "misfortune of faith" is not as I connected it.
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![]() So here is an interesting piece of info that I found that is quite the opposite of what was posted about the Serbs. Serbs = Peasants is what we already have in here. But this source states Serbs = Intellectuals???
![]() Culture, Civilization, And Demarcation at the Northwest Borders of Greece by Laurie Kain Hart http://www.scribd.com/doc/8520990/Cu...ders-of-Greece and this link http://www.jstor.org/pss/647505 So according to B. Recatas (whom I believe is a Frenchman) believes the term Serb = Intellectual. Considering that many Balkanites in the 19th century were iliterates this is a very strange socio-ethno label.
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![]() It is pretty strange, and would probably have only been used within some limited Slavic-speaking circles. They are the first of the Slavic-speakers in the Balkans to gain independence (after the Montenegrins, who never truly lost it for any extended period).
I recall in the past there was some information concerning the Slavic-speakers of Thrace and Moesia, soon to be 'ethnic Bulgars', using 'ich' in their surnames during the early 19th century, influenced by free Serbia. Does anybody have that information on hand?
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