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Old 08-28-2014, 03:33 AM   #531
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azis.thugs and every vile thing under the sun.Will australian authorites listen and do something .??
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Old 08-28-2014, 05:49 AM   #532
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I think it is a big deal, these people are outlawed in their own country, they now come to mine to spread their Nazi views to the thousands on Greek's living here, these views also support territorial gains on the Republic.
I understand. But suppressing free speech does not make this ideology go away. The whole purpose of free speech is to protect speech you do not like.

I am against the arm of the State being used to crush speech it does not like.
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Old 08-30-2014, 08:31 PM   #533
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Protests are already being organized for the event, I just feel the Macedonian community should be apart of it.
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Old 08-30-2014, 10:10 PM   #534
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Protests are already being organized for the event, I just feel the Macedonian community should be apart of it.
Valid point.
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Old 08-31-2014, 09:12 PM   #535
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AMHRC calls upon Australian Government to deny Greek "Neo Nazi" group MPs entry into Australia

Melbourne, Australia

27 August 2014

The Australian Macedonian Human Rights Committee (AMHRC) is deeply concerned about reports that European Parliament MPs from the Greek political party Golden Dawn, Eleftherios Synadinos and Georgios Epitideios, are set to visit Australia in October in order to “raise funds and increase awareness among Greek-Australians” according to a statement by Golden Dawn's Australian representative.

At present, the Golden Dawn political party has no less than 18 members in the Greek Parliament and 3 seats in the European Parliament. The party preaches an openly “neo-Nazi” platform, promoting the supremacy of the Greek nation and hatred of others. According to a report submitted by the Greek Helsinki Monitor (an Athens based human rights organisation) to the United Nations Committee on the Elimination of Racism and Discrimination (UN CERD), Golden Dawn is “openly neo-Nazi, anti-Semitic, racist and white supremacist and have been involved in many violent incidents against migrants, Macedonians ... as well as in desecration of Jewish monuments” (See full GHM submission here: http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/cerd/cerds75.htm)

In the Greek Parliament, MPs belonging to the Golden Dawn party frequently refer to Macedonians as “Gypsy-Skopians” (a highly offensive term of abuse) and call for the destruction of the Macedonian state. On the 4th of June 2009, Golden Dawn members forcibly disrupted the launch of a Greek-Macedonian dictionary in Athens by the ethnic Macedonian political party in Greece, Ouranio Toxo (EFA-Rainbow Party), threatened the participants, damaged equipment and destroyed promotional materials. The party regularly threatens and harasses activists belonging to Greece’s sizeable Macedonian minority, deeming them to be a “traitorous fifth column” simply because they demand respect for their basic human rights.

While such manifestations of intolerance and racism may be acceptable to Golden Dawn supporters and more widely to certain elements within Greek society itself, they have absolutely no place in Australian society.

The AMHRC calls on the Minister for Immigration, the Hon. Scott Morrison MP, to take action to prevent the abovementioned Golden Dawn MPs from visiting Australia for the purpose of disseminating their racist propaganda. Under Section 501 of the Australian Migration Act 1958, the Minister has the power to refuse entry into Australia of persons who do not meet the character test as defined in the Act. We strongly believe that no sitting MP in the Greek or European Parliaments belonging to the Golden Dawn party or any office bearer of the Golden Dawn party would meet the character test requirements as defined in subsection (6) of Section 501. Namely, we believe that there is strong evidence to support the view that in the event that any such person as described above were allowed to enter or remain in Australia, they would:

(iii) vilify a segment of the Australian community; or

(iv) incite discord in the Australian community or in a segment of that community; or

(v) represent a danger to the Australian community or to a segment of that community, whether by way of being liable to become involved in activities that are disruptive to, or in violence threatening harm to, that community or segment, or in any other way.

The AMHRC also appeals to all community organisations in Australia, especially those of the Greek and Jewish communities, to join this call from within the Australian Macedonian community for the abovementioned European Parliament Golden Dawn MPs and indeed all Golden Dawn MPs and representatives to be denied entry into Australia.
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Old 09-01-2014, 09:12 AM   #536
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Philosopher, where is your "free speech" with regards to golden dawn's reactions to the publishing of a greek/macedonian dictionary in 2009, for example?

Did you see how they reacted? They entered the building like it was a military operation behaving like outright thugs. Intimidating and threatening innocent people of a peaceful book launch that may be controversial for some greeks.

This is just one example of a day in the life of what golden dawn stand for.
Why these people should be afforded the same right they deny of other individuals? The AMHRC are valid in their stance to show concern and the requests they make.

If golden dawn “intellectually” protested their points of view, I would therefore not object to them coming here to express their views to a select group.

However, definitely not in this case.
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Old 09-01-2014, 09:24 AM   #537
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Just choose the subtitles. Everything is there about the the reason of the rise of golden dawn. You will understand everything.

FASCISM INC MULTILINGUAL OFFICIAL - YouTube
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Philosopher, where is your "free speech" with regards to golden dawn's reactions to the publishing of a greek/macedonian dictionary in 2009, for example?

Did you see how they reacted? They entered the building like it was a military operation behaving like outright thugs. Intimidating and threatening innocent people of a peaceful book launch that may be controversial for some greeks.

This is just one example of a day in the life of what golden dawn stand for.
Why these people should be afforded the same right they deny of other individuals? The AMHRC are valid in their stance to show concern and the requests they make.

If golden dawn “intellectually” protested their points of view, I would therefore not object to them coming here to express their views to a select group.

However, definitely not in this case.
Honestly, I am not familiar with this story. Maybe you can provide me an online reference or link.

The only thing I can state is that when speech turns to action, whether trespassing, or assault, it is illegal, but only the actions themselves, not the speech.
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Philosopher has a point. If you try to ban them from speaking, they will use it as an excuse for doing outrageous things and they will attack you on the basis of your own beliefs.
They will call upon democracy and tell you that you don't follow your own beliefs, so they end up with an attack to democracy.

To me it's all about their game. And since they challenge you in a game that they don't really know very well (that of freedom of speech) you should wilfully play it and take their pants off.
Just don't do what the politicians do in Greece. They are making martyrs out of them by throwing them in jail.

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Old 09-02-2014, 05:35 AM   #540
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Philosopher has a point. If you try to ban them from speaking, they will use it as an excuse for doing outrageous things and they will attack you on the basis of your own beliefs.
They will call upon democracy and tell you that you don't follow your own beliefs, so they end up with an attack to democracy.

To me it's all about their game. And since they challenge you in a game that they don't really know very well (that of freedom of speech) you should wilfully play it and take their pants off.
Just don't do what the politicians do in Greece. They are making martyrs out of them by throwing them in jail.
Surely you're aware of the many outrageous things that they do already...

It's called inciting violence, usually done through hate speech, some bananas call that "freedom of speech"...
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