Macedonia and Bulgaria: Political Relations - Page 76

Liberator of Makedonija · 04-21-2022, 09:05 PM

Nothing more democratic than opening a club in honour of a man who was anything but.

Liberator of Makedonija · 04-28-2022, 06:48 PM

Kovačevski claims new cultural centre in Gorna Džumaja

https://360stepeni.mk/kovchevski-vo-...o-blagoevgrad/

Carlin · 05-27-2022, 09:25 AM

https://english.republika.mk/news/ma...es-of-demands/

Crvenkovski: Agreement with Bulgaria not only did not close any issue, but opened Pandora’s box and created basis for a whole series of demands

Former President and leader of SDSM, Branko Crvenkovski, at a forum organized by the Diplomatic Council, said that the signing of the “common history” with Bulgaria and the establishment of the Historical Commission was a mistake and that, contrary to the Prespa Agreement with Greece, which closed disputes between both countries, this one opened the Pandora’s box and worsened bilateral relations with this country even more.

I would not equate the Prespa Agreement with Greece with the Friendship and Cooperation Agreement with Bulgaria for at least one reason. The Prespa Agreement with Greece, which I do not consider good, much less ideal but a choice of lesser evil, still closed a difficult open issue. The agreement with Bulgaria not only did not close anything, but on the contrary opened the Pandora’s box and created the basis for a whole series of demands by Bulgaria that encroach on our national identity and history, where compromise is simply not possible. Relations with Greece are therefore incomparably better after the signing of the agreement, and quite the opposite, relations with Bulgaria are incomparably worse than before the signing. Or to be direct: The signing of the Agreement with Bulgaria with that content, especially with the “common history” wording and the formation of a mixed historical commission with a mandate to arbitrate historical events and personalities was a big mistake. The thesis that was placed in the public that we do not negotiate on the national identity, but we will agree over the history, is fundamentally absurd. Each and every national identity is the result of a historical process that relies on certain historical milestones, events and personalities. If they are taken away from you, there is nothing left of the national identity, Crvenkovski said in this third public address this year.

Risto the Great · 05-27-2022, 06:39 PM

The Prespa agreement ended Macedonia. The Bulgarian dialogue merely aims to write the epitaph.

Carlin · 06-04-2022, 08:32 AM

The Bulgar cultural centre "Vanco Mihajlov" has been torched

https://lider.mk/jotova-palenjeto-na...a-provokacija/

Liberator of Makedonija · 06-06-2022, 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carlin

The Bulgar cultural centre "Vanco Mihajlov" has been torched

https://lider.mk/jotova-palenjeto-na...a-provokacija/

Well about time.

Carlin · 06-08-2022, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liberator of Makedonija

Well about time.

The "culprit" is singer Lambe Alabakovski.

Liberator of Makedonija · 06-09-2022, 02:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carlin

The "culprit" is singer Lambe Alabakovski.

A national hero overnight

Carlin · 06-11-2022, 12:10 PM

Бугарите воодушевени што Рама го нарече Ковачевски иден премиер на Западна Бугарија

https://republika.mk/vesti/balkan/bu...adna-bugarija/

Бугарските медиуми се воодушевени откако премиерот на Албанија Еди Рама среде Атина го нарече премиерот на Македонија Димитар Ковачевски иден премиер на Западна Бугарија.

„Труд.бг“ забележува дек на зборовите на Еди Рама Ковачевски само се насмеал што значело дека тоа му одговара.

Liberator of Makedonija · 06-13-2022, 03:27 AM

I do not even have the words for that

04-21-2022, 09:05 PM	#751
Liberator of Makedonija Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Australia Posts: 1,542	Nothing more democratic than opening a club in honour of a man who was anything but. __________________ I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

04-28-2022, 06:48 PM	#752
Liberator of Makedonija Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Australia Posts: 1,542	Kovačevski claims new cultural centre in Gorna Džumaja https://360stepeni.mk/kovchevski-vo-...o-blagoevgrad/ __________________ I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

05-27-2022, 06:39 PM	#754
Risto the Great Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Macedonian Colony of Australia Posts: 15,421	The Prespa agreement ended Macedonia. The Bulgarian dialogue merely aims to write the epitaph. __________________ Risto the Great MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA "Holding my breath for the revolution."

06-04-2022, 08:32 AM	#755
Carlin Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 3,024	The Bulgar cultural centre "Vanco Mihajlov" has been torched https://lider.mk/jotova-palenjeto-na...a-provokacija/ Last edited by Carlin; 06-04-2022 at 08:40 AM.

06-13-2022, 03:27 AM	#760
Liberator of Makedonija Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Australia Posts: 1,542	I do not even have the words for that __________________ I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

05-27-2022, 09:25 AM	#753
Carlin Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 3,024	https://english.republika.mk/news/ma...es-of-demands/ Crvenkovski: Agreement with Bulgaria not only did not close any issue, but opened Pandora’s box and created basis for a whole series of demands Former President and leader of SDSM, Branko Crvenkovski, at a forum organized by the Diplomatic Council, said that the signing of the “common history” with Bulgaria and the establishment of the Historical Commission was a mistake and that, contrary to the Prespa Agreement with Greece, which closed disputes between both countries, this one opened the Pandora’s box and worsened bilateral relations with this country even more. I would not equate the Prespa Agreement with Greece with the Friendship and Cooperation Agreement with Bulgaria for at least one reason. The Prespa Agreement with Greece, which I do not consider good, much less ideal but a choice of lesser evil, still closed a difficult open issue. The agreement with Bulgaria not only did not close anything, but on the contrary opened the Pandora’s box and created the basis for a whole series of demands by Bulgaria that encroach on our national identity and history, where compromise is simply not possible. Relations with Greece are therefore incomparably better after the signing of the agreement, and quite the opposite, relations with Bulgaria are incomparably worse than before the signing. Or to be direct: The signing of the Agreement with Bulgaria with that content, especially with the “common history” wording and the formation of a mixed historical commission with a mandate to arbitrate historical events and personalities was a big mistake. The thesis that was placed in the public that we do not negotiate on the national identity, but we will agree over the history, is fundamentally absurd. Each and every national identity is the result of a historical process that relies on certain historical milestones, events and personalities. If they are taken away from you, there is nothing left of the national identity, Crvenkovski said in this third public address this year.

06-11-2022, 12:10 PM	#759
Carlin Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 3,024	Бугарите воодушевени што Рама го нарече Ковачевски иден премиер на Западна Бугарија https://republika.mk/vesti/balkan/bu...adna-bugarija/ Бугарските медиуми се воодушевени откако премиерот на Албанија Еди Рама среде Атина го нарече премиерот на Македонија Димитар Ковачевски иден премиер на Западна Бугарија. „Труд.бг“ забележува дек на зборовите на Еди Рама Ковачевски само се насмеал што значело дека тоа му одговара.

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