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I think the EU's future is clearly uncertain, but it's hardly a "doomed" organization. This story is going to play out for years. In the meantime, Macedonia's government should definitely work to implement economic and judicial reforms suggested by an EU accession process, not because the EU wants them to, but because it will actually develop and strengthen Macedonia's economy, and improve stability and the nation's prospects, regardless of whether or not they are ever members. The economic woes in places like Greece are due to a combination of the senior partners being asleep at the switch in monitoring what was going on, and the junior partner simply lying through its teeth for 20 years. I am fairly sure that compliance with EU financial regulations will be better monitored for now on, since the 2008 meltdown, and that cheating the system will not be so easy. However, this idea about Chinese foreign aid being without strings attached is very unconvincing! I think all countries attach strings to their foreign aid, why would China be any different? It seems that foreign aid relationships tend be chronic in nature, and never achieve the goal of actually pulling a country out of poverty, without a successful economic development plan. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but China's most lucrative international economic relationships involve taking massive amounts of resources from resource-rich countries, and returning cheap manufactured goods in return, which is achieved through its massive labor pool, and its utter lack of human rights, minority rights, worker's rights and environmental protections. Isn't it true that Macedonia has no such resources to offer the benevolent Emperors in Beijing? Does it have a significant market to purchase such goods with on a large scale? Does it have any other valuable connections to China - geographically, politically, culturally? I've heard a little bit about a factory built in one of Gruevski's "tax-free zones" by Haier, and a few other China-related initiatives. I suppose the idea is that Chinese foreign investment would create badly needed manufacturing jobs in Macedonia. But if that's the case, and Macedonia wants to build an export based economy on relatively low labor costs, the countries it will be exporting to will all be EU countries, won't they? |
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![]() rujnovino, reasonable points.
You do tend to infer a lot from my statements and it appears you have read too much into my statement. I said the Macedonian identity would not have to be on the table for support from countries such as China. I don't think anyone is naive enough to suggest aid comes with no strings attached. In this instance, I believe strings would be more forward looking and less devastating to the Macedonian identity at this bleak time. Your non-justification for China to enter into Macedonia equally applies to the EU and USA. The USA (and EU) keeps sniffing around for some reason. I see a golden opportunity for Macedonia, a developing European nation, to focus on the BRICS economies by offering a pathway to Europe without having to deal with the internal politics of the EU. Quote:
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![]() If the eu is such a country why doesn't serbia & bosnia get accepted??Why wait for such a long time.Also if macedonia satisfies virtually everything apart on the name because it is imposed as an additional requirement.Now if the eu took matters into it's own hands & told greece to bugger off with their silly requirements on the name & admit macedonia to the eu.What would happen greece would get all scared & start to respect it's neighbours a bit more.
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![]() Recently i heard on the radio that china is buying the debts of the defaulting countries.What will it mean,is it a bail out or is it a buy out.The chinese are laghing all the way to the bank because they will end up owning everything.(probably long term the whole of europe)Don't forget allready the chinese own the us debt i think 5or6 trillion of the 14 trillion.Eventually they are going to own everything.UIn a few years time the eu will be so debt ridden that it will fade away.Allready the eu currency is slipping away as confidence falls.
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![]() Yeah, Onur, but who is doing the marketing and for what purpose?
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Secondly, IMO, the biggest reason for the economic boom in China is because Western manufactures have decided to go there due to cheap labour costs and other opportunities the Chinese provided for them in this age of Globalisation. Quote:
Secondly, when viewed objectively, I think they generally have a better track record on minority rights than most of the "developed" world countries do. Lastly, I think they are going to be leaders in clean energy and are now taking a keen interest in environmental issues. As for labour rights, I am not sure they are the worst but there are reports of sections of the labour force being terribly exploited (mostly for the benefit of western manufactures, as happens in Mexico and other developing countries) and I hear that the Chinese want to remedy this also but time will tell whether it is all just empty promises or progress. Last edited by indigen; 05-01-2011 at 02:43 AM. |
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![]() A very common wage for the average worker in China seems to be about $300 - $400 per month. There has been very strong pressure for wage increases and 30% increases have not been uncommon lately.
I can't stress how generally nice the people are and how industrious they seem to be.
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Secondly, I think China would have a two-tiered economy and thus should have varied wage levels. The rural and less developed (outside the coastal economic development zones) parts of China still have hundreds of millions of possible recruits for labour-intensive industries to relocate to if necessary without leaving China and at the same time still keeping all the other benefits the country offers to industrial manufacturers of the world. Lastly, the following news report on Macedonian minimum wages campaign for Macedonian workers might shed some light on the state of the clothing industry in RM: ![]() Минимална плата од 160 евра ќе го доведе текстилот до колапс Минимална плата од 160 евра ќе го доведе текстилот до колапс. Текстилниот бизнис не се сложува со висината на законски најниска плата за работниците. Го поздравуваат барањето на Синдикатот, но велат дека изедначен минималец за сите сектори ќе ги зголеми трошоците. [...] http://www.kanal5.com.mk/default.asp...&eventId=74558 This would be one sector to go under first should there be EU minimum wages applied to it, IMO! Last edited by indigen; 05-01-2011 at 12:50 AM. |
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![]() Yeah see the thing is that just for the very fact that anyone needs to discuss a country joining the EU makes me think the whole thing is a sham and a waste of time.
Greece is in the EU: look at their economic situation. Bulgaria is too. Look at their inflation. Ditto for Romania. Portugal. Ireland. The false economy that a few billionaires created in order to rule the world is not something Macedonia should be part of. Simple as that. |
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