how the world should deal with iranian nuclear program

[Spartan]

They do speak a Turkic language as far as I know.
Not sure if its the exact same as Turkish, but I would assume that they are closely related.

[makgerman]

I have met too many Iranians that I like. They are some of the nicest people on the planet. I cannot say the same about its leadership. One time on a family holiday we met a lovely Iranian family who were holding hands and playing in the pool (husband and wife and children). They were modern and intelligent people. Our son befriended their son and got on like a house on fire. On the last day there was a lovely gift delivered to our hotel room from the Iranians. It was simply for being good company. The Iranian woman (a doctor) said they are not allowed to be a relaxed family like they were when outside of Iran. No swimsuit, no touching of husband in public etc. Normal people living under an oppressed regime.

The recent announcement by Iran that Israel should cease its nuclear weapon program is timely and significant. Why should the Israelis be the only ones in the Middle East with this power?

When a country is not a friend of the USA, it immediately has a dark shadow cast over it. We are the victims who embrace the spiel and must learn to look beyond it. Iran is a powerhouse and I would love to visit it one day.

I totally agree with you.

I have worked with four Iranians (currently three) and they are the most polite and intelligent people one hopes for.

They are not as bad as they are portrayed in the media.

[Buktop]

[Onur]

I thought Saddam Hussein used chemical weapons in the 1980's against the Kurds?

Kurds started PKK terrorist movement vs Turkey at 1980s and they started same campaign at northern Iraq and Iran too. Some far leftist European politicians, Armenia, Greece and Greek Cypriot supported and still supports them. You know, there are even training camps today for PKK terrorists in Greece,Cyprus and Armenia. Greek army officials instructs them in those camps as teachers. Saddam`s response to that was chemical gas on the Kurds of northern Iraq and he killed a 1000 of them there.

Onur, I thought Azerbaijani speak a different language? I didnt know they speak a similar language to Turkish.

Both in Azerbaijan and nortern Iran, they speak Turkish with Azeri dialect. Its same western(Euroasian) branch of Turkish like we speak in Turkey. So, Azeri dialect is the closest to Turkish of Turkey. When i speak with them, I understand about %80-90 of what they say with the exception of few words.

I think Azerbaijanis are the only group of Turkish people who never mixed with Mongolians neither ethnically nor linguistically at Caucasus. Other Turkish speakers like Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan are mixed with Mongolians at 13th century, Genghis Khan`s invasion.


I already spoke about this issue b4;
http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=48059#post48059

[Mastika]

Both in Azerbaijan and nortern Iran, they speak Turkish with Azeri dialect. Its same western(Euroasian) branch of Turkish like we speak in Turkey. So, Azeri dialect is the closest to Turkish of Turkey. When i speak with them, I understand about %80-90 of what they say with the exception of few words.

Do they speak Turkish or Azeri? The way you are describing it makes it seem similar to the way people in Bulgaria see the Macedonian language.

[Jankovska]

I agree no one has the right to nucelar power but than some countries have it or have given themselves that right. The absurd here is that those countries are trying to stop Iran into getting what they already have. If they think they have the right to, so does Iran.

[Onur]

Do they speak Turkish or Azeri? The way you are describing it makes it seem similar to the way people in Bulgaria see the Macedonian language.

"Azeri" is not a name of a separate language. "Azeri" is just a name of one of the western dialects of Turkish language.

So, Both in Turkey and Azerbaijan, we speak same language named Turkish with a bit different dialect.

For example, the difference between Azeri and Turkish of Turkey is quite same as "Irish and American dialects of English".

[dedanoe]

from my sch experience



1) body to body is gravity
2) mind to mind is electric
3) your mind to my body is weak nuclear
4) my mind to your body is strong nuclear

as the it is pointed out on the figure there are three ways two subjects to interact: 1) yin along the regular circle like 0; 2) yang along the twisted circle like 8; 3) tao both of them. there is no doubt that USA and Iran are trying to interact and what i sense as trouble in USA-Iran interactions is their common insisting on say, the first type of interaction when in fact they should try the second type of interaction.

i also sense that Germans are about design; Italians are about food; Chinese are about shaolin; Britain is about dignity; Spanish are about flamengo; as for Americans they are best at making things practical. i am saying this because out of my decade in innovations and theorizing levers i know for sure that one innovation or theory becomes new state of technique when the principle it propagates first reflects well on the very author and later it is capable of mass production (the doctor covers the single special case as the engineer governs the general principle).

what i find questionable in the case of Iranian Nuclear Program is the limited approach to this dangerous field. for instance, they do not follow the other aspects of the ongoing process old for more than two decades. i am talking about the process of hydrogen fusion (this would be the small democratic societies) into helium (this would be the world in the age of the sun) which was initiated with the fall of communism (this would be the little fission trigger releasing the needed energy to start the hydrogen fusion).

Iranian leadership doesn't recognize this global trend of WORLDLY CHAOSIFICATION and hence it is primarily pushed to reconsider its position in the world and finally take adequate action, instead of which the misinformed Iranians fear they should defend from unknown danger. i don't think America poses danger to Iran. why America doesn't pose danger to Dubai for instance?

if i may just add this paragraph: back in Y2K when the Macedonian police officers asked me what do i plan to do with the kitchen knife in my hands and could we negotiate the release of my mother (they considered her as my hostage) i told them i am doing the hydrogen bomb principle, they evaluated me as incalculable, they called for backup and things went so much out of control that in the end before i earned my sch label i stubbed my mother with the cold weapon. Iran don't let the same happen to you.

[Risto the Great]

This guy has it all worked out:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8631775.stm

Iranian cleric blames quakes on promiscuous women

Women who wear revealing clothing and behave promiscuously are to blame for earthquakes, an Iranian cleric says.

Hojjat ol-eslam Kazem Sediqi, the acting Friday prayer leader in Tehran, said women should stick to strict codes of modesty to protect themselves.

"Many women who do not dress modestly lead young men astray and spread adultery in society which increases earthquakes," he explained.

Tens of thousands of people have died in Iran earthquakes in the last decade.

Mr Sediqi was delivering a televised sermon at the Tehran University campus mosque last Friday on the need for a "general repentance" by Iranians when he warned of a "prevalence of degeneracy".

"What can we do to avoid being buried under the rubble? There is no other solution but to take refuge in religion and to adapt our lives to Islam's moral codes," he said.

'Disappoint God'

Correspondents say many young Iranians sometimes push the boundaries of how they can dress, showing hair under their headscarves or wearing tight-fitting clothes.

Mr Sediqi also described the violence following last year's disputed presidential election - the result of which prompted thousands of people to hold mass protests - as a "political earthquake".

"Now if a natural earthquake hits Tehran, no one will be able to confront such a calamity but God's power, only God's power. So lets not disappoint God."

More than 25,000 people died when a powerful earthquake hit the ancient city of Bam in 2003.

Seismologists have warned that the capital, Tehran, is situated on a large number of tectonic fault lines and could be hit by a devastating earthquake soon.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has said many of Tehran's 12 million inhabitants should relocate.

There are plans to build a purpose built new capital near Qom.

Maybe the USA can send strippers instead of soldiers there ... the place will completely disintegrate.

[Onur]

Maybe the USA can send strippers instead of soldiers there ... the place will completely disintegrate.

They destroyed 4000 year old Persian culture and turned it like filthy Arabs atm.





Do you know how Iran was b4 "so-called Islamic" revolution? These photos are from Iran at 1970s;



















Shortly after the revolution, few Azerbaijani Turks was able to escape to Turkey from the border. These pictures are their private photos at universities and some magazine covers of 1970s. These photos are recently released on the Turkish newspapers.







And this is the Iranian women today;

[Soldier of Macedon]

They destroyed 4000 year old Persian culture and turned it like filthy Arabs atm.

Onur, does mutual resentment between Turks and Arabs exist as a legacy of the Ottoman Empire, or are there other issues that contribute to this feeling also?

[Prolet]

We have a family friend who goes on business trips to Teheran and she says that when they reach Iranian airspace on the plane they say that all women visiting Iran must wear a shamija to cover their face and hair when they go in public. The Iranians should be proud of their history, they are one of the oldest nations in the world (Persians) and these medieval laws are not doing them any good.

[Onur]

Onur, does mutual resentment between Turks and Arabs exist as a legacy of the Ottoman Empire, or are there other issues that contribute to this feeling also?

Nope, not since Ottoman Empire days.

We basically feed them and took care of their hungry stomachs for 600 years while whole Arabia was just plain desert and when there was no oil. Ottoman government was giving free food and even money at Jarusalem, Mecca and Medina since 14th century because they were sacred places. Then Arabs cooperated with British at WW-1 and close to 500.000 Turkish people died at Arabian deserts.

Balkan people became our best soldiers, governors and officials. Jews helped us in commerce. We created our own administrations together with Byzantine Greek and Armenian elites. Persian culture was an inspiration point to us... On the other hand, Arabs gave us nothing throughout history while we gave them everything we can.

After the war, England transported Zionists to Palestine and they started to suck all of their oil. England even stole Egypt`s monuments too. You know the rest of story after that...

The Iranians should be proud of their history, they are one of the oldest nations in the world (Persians) and these medieval laws are not doing them any good.

Yes, its a shame.

You know, historians says that even the Alexander couldn't believe the richness and magnificent culture of Persia and the city of Babylon when he conquered them. At those times, Babylon was the world`s center of science and culture.