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Risto the Great 10-08-2012 09:39 PM

Interesting Carlin.
Thank you

makedonche 10-09-2012 01:13 AM

Carlin,here! very interesting and informative!:14:

Carlin 10-29-2012 06:13 PM

Inhabitants of Greece through the eyes of various foreign visitors and travelers.

"The once glorious Athens is so desolate that it seems incredible that it was once glorious. I, for one, did not see anywhere a more terrible place. Wilderness, swamps...." »DAramon, French ambassador.

"The population of Samos is Turkish." Ruy Gonzales de Clavijo, envoy of the king of Castile, Henry III, the court of Tamerlane.

"Eleusis is now a poor village with 1,200 inhabitants, mostly Albanians." - John Fulleylove MClymont JA, 1902.

"The Albanians from Arcadia are three times more numerous than the Turks." » (The present state of the Morea called Peloponesus, Bernard Randolph, an English traveler, London, 1686).

"Kos is inhabited by Turks." (Pierre Belon, a French physician and botanist, 1546.)

"It was almost uninhabited, Mykonos." Thevenot (1655).

Carlin 11-03-2012 10:02 AM

Anglo-Bavarian origin of the modern Greek flag.


- Advocates of Greek nationalist circles state that the Greek flag is a symbol of freedom. The Greek flag, however, symbolizes precisely those "values" that have led to the current situation in Greece (conflict, corruption, theocracy, underdevelopment, etc). In this article we will examine how our 'national' flag came into existence and what it symbolizes.

- Another myth of Greekness:

The choice of colors and the shape of the flag of the modern Greek state is another myth of Hellenism, the young students in schools being taught that the colors symbolize supposedly the blue of the Aegean Sea and the white of the waves, while the nine stripes of the syllables of the words "freedom or death".

The majority of the present inhabitants of Greece ignore the reality that the colors of the flag of modern Greece (blue and white) were defined by Otto, to match the colors of the flag of Bavaria, while the form of the flag (five blue and four white horizontal stripes with a cross on the left) is determined by the Anglophile Mavrokordatos and is a mere copy of the flag of the British colonialists in India.

- Decision to establish the new flag of the state

On March 15, 1822 was issued Decision No. 540 of the provisional administration signed by President Alexander Mavrokordatos, which determines the shape of the flag. In fact identified three types of flags: a war on land (light blue with a large white cross) and two sea: commercial (blue with white square on the left and cross in blue) and war (blue and identical in form the current flag, we know). Since then subsequent series of decrees, which made ​​several variations on the types and sizes of flags (subtractions royal decorations, crown, image of St. George, etc.).

Of the various types of flag did not change the format (just the color) of the war flag of the sea. This article will deal specifically with the flag and their reasons, selecting the form and color that has been identified itself completely with the concept of the modern Greek nation / state and is now the official-fits-all-events flag of modern Greece.

Anglophile Mavrokordatos copies the flag of the English colonizers

Mavrokordatos, both during the revolution, and for Otto was the foremost exponent of the English policy. We chose a form of the Greek flag the flag of the infamous colonial British East India Company, the-under the auspices of the English state-of East India Company.

A company, which plundered the riches of India (cotton, salt, etc.). An Indian rebellion in 1857 was crushed in blood by mass killings of civilians. The company further enriched by smuggling opium to China. The opium produced in India at minimal cost, went to China through corrupt state apparatus, which traded mainly with tea and silk products, strong buying interest found in England. The reaction of the Chinese opium smuggling THE East India Company in 1839 led the two countries to war.

- The modern Greek flag (Anglo-Bavarian protectorate), marked with the distinctive Christian cross, represents nothing more than the religious orientation of the new Greek state.

PS: Access link to view the flag of the East India Company.

The flag shown was of the East India Company (1700). Originally six red and five white horizontal stripes, which was later reduced to five and four respectively. The cross on the left is St. George and symbolizes the Kingdom of England. The semantic aspect of the choice of form of modern Greek flag, carried by expressive English policy Mavrokordatos.

Carlin 11-24-2012 11:14 AM


The medieval deserted Aegean islands

(And their subsequent settlements,
according to descriptions of rare
foreign archaeologists, historians and travelers)

The neo-Greek nationalism is targeting Jakob Philipp Fallmerayer, one of historians, who questioned the myth of continuity in Greece space and time, which, however, was created only in the 19th century by theorists of Hellenism, which have tried to persuade the Slavs, Vlachs, Albanians, etc. that they are supposedly descendants of ancient Greeks. Fallmerayer, however, was not the only one. In this article, focusing on the situation prevailing in the Aegean Islands in the Middle Ages listed unknown and rare testimonies of many travelers (historians of antiquity, etc.), which in a time span of hundreds of years many describe as uninhabited islands, totally deserted. Scourges were Major wars, frequent and deadly epidemics, piracy, due to which thousands of islanders-and not only dragged into slavery in the bazaars of the East. Population empty replenished from time to time various groups of people from other places, such as North Africa, the East and in many cases, as we shall see, the poor Albanians. Article was translated in extracts from the works of the English historian and archaeologist Frederick William Hasluck (1878-1920): " Depopulation in the Aegean Islands and the Turkish Conquest "(Ôhe Annual of the British School at Athens, Vol. 17, 1910/1911, pp. 151-181) and"Albanian Settlements in the Aegean Islands "(Ôhe Annual of the British School at Athens, Vol. 15, 1908/1909, pp. 223-228).

Albanians appeared in Thessaly around 1350 (Miller, Latins in the Levant, 247) and soon regions Aetolia and Akarnania (Ibid. 293).Distinguished for their military skills and many have served as mercenaries inthe Despotate of Morea (Ibid. 283). Invited to colonize the Attica by Catalans (Ibid. 317) and Euboua by the Venetians (Ibid. 366). Phases during which penetrated the Albanians in Greece are known. (See From Spata and the Tattoo, the Halandri and Loutsa ... ) Ten thousand Albanians eventually, under pressure from the Turks, migrated north and Theodore Palaeologus put them in the Peloponnese for the colonization of deserted areas. (Constituted an important factor and the military in the late 19th-early 20th century, an already significant part of the population of Arcadia and Argolis.)


From this study it seems that the islands were inhabited better and more prosperous after the final installation of the Turks than before. Even those who were devastated by the raids of Barbarossa, had been restored to good condition. It is particularly important that smaller islands began colonized by immigrant populations shepherds and that many islands were completely deserted for a hundred years, at the end of the century and gained enough population began to thrive. This was due to various causes. Between 1566, when the last islands (with the exception of Tinos) officially became Turkish and the beginning of the Cretan War, peace with Venice was not broken until the Veneto-Turkish War (1570-3) and piracy, the biggest scourges of the Archipelago.

The final union of the islands under one flag lowered taxes by reducing it to just a tribute, which already pays the Latin islands for many years and limited to some extent the activities of wandering adventurers of both sides. Specifically, the expulsion of the Knights of Rhodes, a political necessity for the Turks after the conquest of Egypt, took a constant cause conflicts. The knights were busy defenses in Malta and the campaigns against the Muslims close neighbors and the flag was rarely seen in the Aegean islands. Admittedly, that after 1560, the Knights of St. Stephen, to some extent replaced that of St. John, but in general, piracy and the slave trade was in the hands of Berber pirates and the center of gravity of decadent crusade on both sides turned to the western Mediterranean. The shores of the eastern Mediterranean, as far as Egypt was now Turkish and the Turkish fleet s more efficient - now enjoyed greater security.

Mikropeirateies small boats flourished, as always, with Mani starring until early in the 17th century. Descendant ... Ancient Greeks from Cyprus playing traditional Arabic instruments al ʿ ūd ( lute ). 10,000 Armenian settlers settled in Cyprus, where the 578, the island was almost deserted (History of the Greek Nation, ed "Publishing Athens", Vol. H, p 183-4, see foreigners in xerailes and deserts ). traces There clearly structured formal effort to colonized the abandoned and deserted islands by pirates. As noted, the migrations of Albanians, is characteristic of the second half of the 16th century. The known dates of such settlements is 1571-2 for Fisherman and Samos in 1575 for iOS, which partially or entirely populated by Albanians. The first recorded such Hydra facilities is 1580 (Miaoulis, Hist. Hydras, 36).According to Millo, at the same time and all were colonized abandoned mikronisia the same way. The Albanians, who were introduced to the islands, was imprisoned by Uludj Ali during his campaign in the Adriatic before the Battle of Lepanto (Paruta, Guerra di Cipro, 114, Hammer-Hellert, vi. 418-9) or suppression of a temporary abetted the rebellion in Venice and Drin Boiana (Paruta, loc. cit. 75). In theory inspired by settlements power comes an unexpected confirmation from a Turkish source, a relevant document Hadji Khalfa of 1570.

Carlin 11-24-2012 11:14 AM


Ideological state apparatuses, from school to the media and from family to sports, educate the masses in particular indirect a, that a joint-and-largely mysterious substance unites us into one homogenous group with blood ties, culture, common origin and linguistic purity, defining the nation. thus resulting nationalism, not only with historical extreme violence and rabid intolerance but also the daily life of the nation, with the quiet days of simple patriot and homemaker. A Patriotism is the daily nationalism who admire oneself, cultivating the fantasy that is sufficiently inoffensive, h CoE differ substantially from the right-wing version. Despite this, it is impossible to draw the line between nationalism and patriotism (even if "left" anti-imperialist sign), because the difference is quantitative. In other words, the transition from patriotism to nationalism is "smoothly" without rupture, just there so the appropriate circumstances. The sequel, which connects nationalism with patriotism is the general condition for the flourishing of nationalism, not only dominant, but in subordinate social classes, ie the general requirement to obtain nationalism mass basis. authors of the present book does not share the patriotic sentiments of any nation and argue that patriotism is a euphemistic term for nationalism, which manufactures Member installing a generalized form of delusion about the nature of the nation. This refusal chose to express the desecration the national flag as a symbol, rather than burning it, but in a way that seems more radical: if the direct solution of the fetishistic character and the delegitimization as a symbol, to which the crowd. Under no direct democratic country is not clearly illegal to despise a national symbol in accordance with the Charter of Civil Rights guaranteed freedom of religion and freedom of speech and opinion at all. The critical attitude towards the country and its symbols are part of that freedom. These are 'in theory'. The book shows, among other things, whether and how they apply in practice. has expressed the view that nations can exist without nationalist sentiments of the citizens. However, such reasoning implies that nations produce, under certain circumstances, and only under such nationalism. In reality though, the arrow of causality is the reverse: first, nationalism produces nations, not nations and nationalism. Then, one supports the other. therefore challenging the violence of nationalism should challenge and the nation as a reality, and the nation as a concept, which means that you need to question the holy and sacred roots of "our" , the supposedly noble origin of the Greeks, the supposed historical continuity of Hellenism and the golden pages of heroism, cultural or biological homogeneity of the Greek nation, and all components of the national ideology. The work is debunking the stories as "destroyer of myths" (in the words of Eric Hobsbawm ). 's non-nationalist historians have already shown sufficiently how loose are the positions of the historical myth of the "Greek nation", as, moreover, all nations. Both sufficiently so impressed with the distance, kept between the fanaticism of "race" on the origins, the historical continuity and cultural or racial purity on the one hand and the work of historical non-nationalists on the other. The book, except the Greek, and refers to the American nation and its flag, not because the writers are inspired by anti-American sentiments, but because it is a fact well known to readers. Also, the American flag (as indeed Greek), is highly charged with significance ascribed to the Patriots: ie involves a heavy emotional content. (Excerpts from the Introduction).

Families, schools, churches
are the slaughterhouses of our children.
Universities are the kitchens.
Adults, weddings and businesses,
devour the product.

Ronald D. Laing , The Politics of the Family

This short book consists of an essay by Elijah Ioakimoglou (NTU alumni and the Institute of Business Administration of the University of Grenoble) around the concept of the nation and nationalism, and a THE Soti Triantafillou (Ph.D. American history and the history of cities) around the flag as a patriotic, "hallowed" symbol. This is an intervention against the nationalist delirium, which has occupied the majority not only in Greece but in the whole world, so the "Temptation of obscurantism."

In " For flag and the nation "analyzes briefly the history and evolution of collective emotions and fantasies, such as nationalism, as well as sacred and holy, which they use for their stabilization. That is why the existence of the national flag as remnants of militarism-aggressive or defensive-aggressive nature-and as a result of traditional schooling and family education, and for "national pride", a provincial conception of history, the national "disease" and racial superiority. Why patriotism, respect for the "national" past and remain emblems of turbulence properties in the lives and events? Because even the overwhelming wave of globalization, rather than cause wilting nationalist sentiments, he managed to sharpen? How is it that words and concepts relating to the homeland, origin, race and religion to freeze in time? Although simaiolatria the patridolatria the antiquity, there constitute new phenomena acquire richer meaning in this period, we are experiencing. In the book exposed some ideas about this phenomenon: collective fraud nationalism, bigotry and flags. P. 58-59: The World's nation denies the passage of time. It is an imaginary landscape in which this coincides with the past and the future. Leonidas still keeps guard at Thermopylae and reinforce the garrison of the modern Greeks, but mentally and emotionally symparistantai who were not born yet, but will do so as self-evident if needed. The imagined community of the nation operates beyond time, whatever its own priorities. So kollosiaio produced kitsch, which wants the Parthenon located next to Hagia Sophia ...

Mistracona 11-24-2012 05:44 PM

It is well-attested that the eastern Mani was settled by migrations of Slavic people, the Meligs among them, as a result of the Slavic migration into the southern peninsula during the 6th century. In western Mani there are still many village names of Slavic origin: Stoupa, Platsa, Selinitsa (changed to Ayios Nikolaos), Tseria, and many of Latin origin, Cambos, Kalives and so on. In the eastern Mani and along the eastern coast of Greece generally, there are fewer of these names because the military power of Constantinople was stronger and more capable of defence. Of course, the citizens of western Mani today are among the most patriotic Greeks and they played a leading role in the war of Independence.

Fallemyer is correct that the majority of the inhabitants of the peninsula were of Albanian and other linguistic groupings during the Ottoman empire and before. The error that Fallemyer and other make is that they anachronistically call this area "Greece" as if it were a nation state. Since the establishment of Constantinople as the second capital of the Roman Empire in the East, the centre of "Hellenism," of the Greek-speaking people, had shifted to the Bosporus and there it remained to a great extant (for over a thousand years) even under the Ottoman period when the Greeks of the Phanar district, descendants of ancient communities played various influential roles (as other foreigners did) in the running of the Ottoman Empire.

The "Greek" peninsula had been left undefended for protracted periods by Constantinople out of necessity. There was, however, always, a waxing and waning minority of Greeks in that peninsula. The Ionian Islands, Corfu, Cephalonia, Zakynthos, ithaca, etc were never under the control of the Turks but were part of the Venetian and later the British empire. On those islands, where there was continuous military protection and authority, the Greek speakers were always a majority.

The modern Greek state was founded on the southernmost Balkan peninsula which was a centre of the ancient Greek world because that is where a significant number of Greek-speakers lived outside the Ottoman capital. They were the foundation of the new state. In it's founding, the Greek-speakers, Albanian, Slavic, Vlach and other linguistic groups were eventually assimilated into the unified Greek sate that exists today. The former Slavs of the Western Mani and the other parts of Greece, the Albanians, the Italians, Arabs and others now are the Greeks of the modern state. This is the general pattern of all nation states. If a Macedonian whose father came from Bitola but who was born in New York, Toronto or Melbourne can be an American a Canadian or an Australian (and feel passionately like one), someone whose great-great grandfather (or father) spoke only Albanian can today identify himself, and feel completely, Greek. The children of Iraqis, Afghanis, Pakistanis, Chinese and other who have migrated to Greece will be the "pure-blooded Greeks" of tomorrow.

Other linguistic groups are assimilated into the dominant culture in various ways. The Greek State eventually assimilated the various non-Greek linguistic groups. The Greek state used the population transfer from Turkey to create a dominant Greek-speaking population in Greek Macedonia. The Greek state was founded and expanded most of its territory through war. In that, it, too, is a "Typical" nation state.

All modern states, everyone without exception, is founded on national myths. A people's "myth" is a religious belief. It is the most powerful of all collective bonds, one that people willingly kill and die for. That is the true "blood" connection of a people.

Mistracona 11-24-2012 07:20 PM

Carlin posts (10-29-2012):

Inhabitants of Greece through the eyes of various foreign visitors and travelers.

"The once glorious Athens is so desolate that it seems incredible that it was once glorious. I, for one, did not see anywhere a more terrible place. Wilderness, swamps...." »DAramon, French ambassador.

"The population of Samos is Turkish." Ruy Gonzales de Clavijo, envoy of the king of Castile, Henry III, the court of Tamerlane.

"Eleusis is now a poor village with 1,200 inhabitants, mostly Albanians." - John Fulleylove MClymont JA, 1902.

"The Albanians from Arcadia are three times more numerous than the Turks." » (The present state of the Morea called Peloponesus, Bernard Randolph, an English traveler, London, 1686).

"Kos is inhabited by Turks." (Pierre Belon, a French physician and botanist, 1546.)

"It was almost uninhabited, Mykonos." Thevenot (1655).

This leaves us with a puzzle: How did these places become Greek speaking? Whatever methods the Greeks used were successful because today these places are Greek-speaking and fully and indivisibly integrated into the modern Greek State.

Mistracona 11-24-2012 07:36 PM

For over a thousand years the centre of the Greek world was in Constantinople and the Roman Empire in the east. The Southern Balkan peninsula, barren and unproductive compared to the "Byzantine" breadbasket and population centre of Asia Minor, had been abandoned to the migration of foreign tribes and the collapse of local economies. The "Byzantine" historian Choniatis wrote that starvation was so prevalent in 9th century Athens that "the dying pitied the living." It was in this unlikely landscape that the modern Greek State was founded in the 19th century and it survived and prospered through endless wars and tribulations.

momce 11-25-2012 12:04 AM

The country is mostly rent-seeking scam by phanariot-masons and the Byzantine church hierarchy with the Great Powers as protectors.

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