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Carlin 08-25-2012 08:50 PM

Some additional points.

- Anonymi Descriptio Europae orientalis. Imperium Constantinopolitanum, Albania, Serbia, Bulgaria, Ruthenia, Ungaria, Polonia, Bohemia. Anno MCCCVIII exarata. Cracoviae, 1916: As per the anonymous traveler of Eastern Europe from the [B]XIV century[/B], it is stated that Vlachs (whom the author calls "Blasi"), are a numerous people living between Macedonia, Achaia and Salonika.

- Johann Thunmann, Untersuchungen uber die Geschichte der ostlichen europaischen Volker, I. Leipzig, [B]1774[/B]: The author states (estimates) that Vlachs represent half the population of Thrace, and three quarters of inhabitants of Thessaly and Macedonia combined.

- In early March 1821, Alexander Ypsilanti called Vlachs/Romanians DACIANS!

[url]http://www.freeinquiry.gr/pro.php?id=2213&PHPSESSID=ae517603cb7dd0fff1340ad4e35a8835[/url]

Carlin 08-25-2012 09:42 PM

The Slavic colonization in Greece (Prof. Veremis in the video)

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xBz_66HTvw&feature=player_embedded]Σύγχρονος καθηγητής ψευδόμενος.wmv - YouTube[/url]

"From the 6th century onward, came and settled many Slavs, not only in northern and central Balkans, but also, in Greece . Arrived and settled in the Peloponnese. Later, passed with boats in the Aegean Islands and arrived to Crete. Paliotera, in Hellenistic and Roman times, had settled here, especially in big cities, many foreigners (easterners and Romans), but the settlement of the Slavs was greater. The ethnographic composition of the population of mainland Greece changed much. (Later changed further with the installation of other tribes such as Arvanites, Vlachs, Turks, etc.). issues of The Medieval Slavicization the Greek area is a straight shot to the idea of the alleged historical continuity of the ancient Greeks and the modern inhabitants of Greece the nucleus that is, of our modern national myth. Historians mentioned therein, were anathema to the official modern Greek state, but the Greeks podigetoumenon intellectuals who denounced them, sometimes with grave insults. Since then, the issue was a national issue and endearing scope for nationalism for amateurs, but also professionals ellinarades patriots. This article is the third in the series of research, which began in the "free inquiry" [url]http://www.freeinquiry.gr[/url] for revealing the origin of the present inhabitants of Greece. "

[url]http://www.freeinquiry.gr/pro.php?id=2468[/url]

German professor, who had toured Greece, published in 1830 in A volume of his work "History of the peninsula of Morea", which caused a great uproar. It was the era when Europe was showing its great sympathy for the revolution of 1821. Fallmerayer supported in his work, that Greece is a heap of ruins, and that the modern Greeks have nothing to do with the ancient Greeks. He based his opinion on the one hand the Byzantine sources and from other observations, made ​​touring Greece. In many areas Arvanitika (Albanian) and Vlach were spoken. The ancient Greek language was unknown. The views of later additions and linguistic observations: Slavic place names everywhere, which from Macedonia to the south Peloponnese clearly show that the Slavs did not only "pass through" - but Slavs settled everywhere in Greece. (Fragmente aus den Orien, 1845).

(K. Paparrigopoulos was one of the pioneers of creating the myth of continuity of the Greek nation. The History entitled "History of the Greek nation", which is not the case because the Greek nation concept did not exist before the 19th century.

His work can today safely be branded as a stunning piece of imposture and forgery.)


PS:
The Ottomans in 1821 could not understand, "how is it that modern Greeks, a mixture of Slavs, Turks, Albanians, Vlachs consider themselves descendants of Socrates and Plato ...". (Dr. Fikret Antanir, Professor of History, University Sabanci , Istanbul).

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vtn0XFWAkyk&feature=player_embedded]Οι σημερινοί Έλληνες είναι μείγμα λαών - YouTube[/url]

Carlin 08-25-2012 10:46 PM

Rigas Velestinlis the Vlach.

In his famous poem "Thourios" Rigas does not refer to Greeks or Hellenes at all - only Christians and Romioi (Romans or Vlachs).

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmXTWfhMqyI&feature=player_embedded]Ρωμιοί γράφει, *λληνες διαβάζει! - YouTube[/url]

Να σφάξουμε τους λύκους, που στον ζυγόν βαστούν,
και [B]χριστιανούς[/B] και [B]τούρκους[/B] (christians and turks), σκληρά τους τυραννούν...
...και [B]τούρκοι[/B] και [B]ρωμιοί[/B]... (turks and romans)
[B]Βουλγάροι (bulgarians) κι αρβανίτες (arvanites/albanians), αρμένιοι (armenians) και ρωμιοί (romans/vlachs),
αράπηδες (arabs) και άσπροι, με μια κοινήν ορμή...[/B]

Note that while the above quote from the series "1821" SKY is depicted from the "THOURIOS" the presenter then elected to read not ROMIOI, but HELLENES! "[I]Greeks[/I], Turks, Bulgarians, Albanians, Armenians, Arabs, etc ... "

Another typical case of how history is falsified at will.

George S. 08-25-2012 10:46 PM

where is the claim that only greeks live in greece.That's proof that greeks are not what they seem to be greek that's got to be the biggest lie.

Louis 08-26-2012 10:44 AM

[QUOTE=Carlin;133057]
Να σφάξουμε τους λύκους, που στον ζυγόν βαστούν,
και [B]χριστιανούς[/B] και [B]τούρκους[/B] (christians and turks), σκληρά τους τυραννούν...
...και [B]τούρκοι[/B] και [B]ρωμιοί[/B]... (turks and romans)
[B]Βουλγάροι (bulgarians) κι αρβανίτες (arvanites/albanians), αρμένιοι (armenians) και ρωμιοί (romans/vlachs),
αράπηδες (arabs) και άσπροι, με μια κοινήν ορμή...[/B][/QUOTE]

Since you're a Macedonian shouldn't you notice something else in that quote?

Also, I didn't know Roman was a synonym of Vlach (I thought it was a synonym of Greek). What is the language of this text? Is this the Vlach language?

Carlin 08-26-2012 11:49 AM

Vlach = Roman.

The term Vlach is an 'exonym'. All Latin peoples used various words derived from 'Romanus'/'Roman' to call themselves. The term itself, Vlach, is of Germanic origin, a name used by ancient Germans to refer to Roman-speaking and Celtic-speaking populations. From the Germans, the name passed to Slavs and other peoples. Interestingly, the root of this name does not "belong" to Balkan Vlachs only but also to the Celtic [B]WELSH[/B] and French-speaking [B]WALLOONS[/B]. Anyway, all this can be researched and found by a simple search in Wikipedia. In short, the historical connection and 'equality' between the terms Vlach and Roman is well established and a known fact. This is also proven by the simple fact that Poles call Italy [B]WLOCHY[/B]. There is also another fact: in old Anglo-Saxon the term for Romans or Romanized Celts was RUMWALAS (some would argue a composition of the two terms Roman and Vlach/Wealh).

The term Roman became a synonym for "Greek" only after 1821 with the establishment of the modern Greek state and the decision of various state-sponsored "historians" to butcher historal texts for purposes of fraud and forgery. I hope that helps.


Enjoy!

[url]http://www.freeinquiry.gr/pro.php?id=2717[/url]

[url]http://www.freeinquiry.gr/pro.php?id=1631[/url]

[url]http://www.freeinquiry.gr/pro.php?id=2468[/url]

[url]http://www.freeinquiry.gr/pro.php?id=2109[/url]

Carlin 08-31-2012 08:24 PM

African architecture and folkloric elements of the Aegean islands.
[url]http://www.freeinquiry.gr/pro.php?id=2570[/url]

Historical Documents: Albanians (and other peoples) in various islands.

Presence of Albanians located in the northeastern Aegean islands (Samos, Psara) and some islands of the Cyclades (Andros, Ios, Kea, Kythnos). Some random examples:

Andros:

"The inhabitants are estimated at 6000. There is an east coast town and 60 villages. Highlights are the sandpit and the Arna, inhabited by [B]Arvanites[/B], one thousand two hundred souls." [B]From the diary of the French traveler Thevenot (1655).[/B] The Albanian settlement on Andros became Frankish in the first quarter of the 15th century. Second settlement was around the late 15th century."

The vicar general of Greece in 1828 wrote: "850 families in the northwestern part of Andros with Albanian dialect and customs." (AF 20, 21 March 1828, page 83).

Ios:

"Throughout the island there is only a small town on a hillside. The inhabitants are ethnic Albanians and brave. Faced with courage privateers." (Francois Richard, 1650).

Samos:

Among the settlers of Samos included many Albanians. Albanians Samos reported including one French missionarios which an anonymous report in the early 18 th century, he notes, that lived mostly in the mountains of the island, engaged in farming. (LA Martin: Lettres edifiantes et curieuses concernan lAsie, lAfrique et lAmerique avec quelques relations nouvelles des missions et des notes geographiques et historiques, Vol. 1, Paris, pp. 131, Paris, 1838. C Guerin, who came into the middle of the next century, the island, notes that residents of Arvanites (Upper - Lower), although they spoke good Greek, preserved but some of their own words).

[url]http://www.freeinquiry.gr/pro.php?id=1248[/url]


I would love to hear responses and 'justifications' from Louis and other modern Greeks - especially since the links provided are from a Greek website. :)


- Let's continue...

Villages of NW Peloponnese in the 15th century.

The data comes from a book by V. Panagiotopoulos: "Population and Settlements of the Peloponnese, 13th -18th centuries", ed History Archives, Commercial Bank of Greece, Athens, 1987.

Note that in column (c) (third column) the nationalities of people are displayed, as per the author:
E = Greeks / Hellenes.
A = Albanians.

The author, who should be praised for this work, has chosen to apparently ignore Slavs and Vlachs and has elected to put them together under the mythological category "E" (Hellenes) on account that some were bilingual (that is, they spoke both Greek & Slavic, or Greek & Vlach).

Some of the Greek settlements in Peloponnese bear the following names: Chalandritsa, Mokiste, Sfardina, Vesini, Porta, Kostena, Arvanokastro, Politsa, Franka Villa, Garditsko, Strogovo (I KID YOU NOT, check the link for yourself), Stamiro, Tarpouni, Spiani, Germena, Doumna, Sklavitsa, Karida, Djoia, Vlapa, Livarzi, Kressovo.

LINKS:
[url]http://www.freeinquiry.gr/pro.php?id=372[/url]
[url]http://www.freeinquiry.gr/pro.php?id=2635&PHPSESSID=bc6327ed9a0aa92560140d204c86a052[/url]

Epirot 09-07-2012 05:31 AM

That's great! I haven't been active for quite some time, but I see a proliferation of valuable materials that are worthy of analyzing! thanks carlin

Carlin 09-30-2012 01:32 PM

Slavs in Central Greece (Aetolia-Acarnania).

Sklavinoi (Slavs) found in Central Greece, says historian K. Sathas in his "Turkish-occupied Greece."

[B]So the historian explains that the Slavs came to Central Greece - not from the north, but, from the south, i.e. from the Peloponnese! [/B]

Specifically, between the years 1689-94, the Turkish troops under General Khalil defeated in the Peloponnese the Venetian army in almost all fortified positions. In contrast, opposite Central Greece, gangs decimating armatoloi and expel the Turks from everywhere. Then Christian troops in the Peloponnese with Venetian flags, deserted from the Peloponnese along with centuries already established Slavs going towards Central to exploit the gap power, which had been created and benefit from looting. ("Turkish-occupied Greece," Mr Satha, pp. 405.)

The modern nation-states base their existence to the establishment and maintenance of "national" myths, stemming from counterfeit arbitrary conclusions and historical arguments.

[url]http://freeinquiry.gr/pro.php?id=2818&PHPSESSID=86f8b400c6ccac2ef31de3639a46c771[/url]

Carlin 10-08-2012 10:17 AM

African elements of the islands of the Aegean.

[url]http://www.freeinquiry.gr/pro.php?id=2570[/url]

Access link to view all pictures.

The series of images on the traditional architecture -white squares painted houses with blue doors and windows, from the Bodrum of Turkey. The bottom row, from Sidi Bou Said in Tunisia, which the tourist guides as an example of the city with typical traditional Tunisian architecture.

Left: Traditional Tunisian costume and right Greek

The fez comes from the Turkish fes and was from the city of Fez in Morocco, the only source until the 19th century production of traditional hats with special red. In Crete, the fez was named tynisiotiko.

The breeches, a Traditional costume island of Crete and other Aegean islands, [U]from the tribe of Berber Algerian Zouava [/U](Zouaoua or Zwāwa). In the Aegean came from pirates. The zouava recruited by the French army during the French occupation of Algeria and formed the corps of Zouaves an essential element of their school martial their traditional breeches. In the picture above pictured left zouave French officer with breeches (1885) and Cretan right.

The girl left photo is from Tunisia (1910), decorated with traditional [U]Tunisian (Berber) [/U]ornaments . The other girls are from Karpathos, decorated with traditional Greek ornaments.

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