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TrueMacedonian 11-02-2018 04:27 PM

[QUOTE=Liberator of Makedonija;177233]From [I]The Little Book of Big Greek Lies[/I] by Risto Stefov

[IMG]https://vgy.me/ni3uvh.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

This clown took all of my research on Maknews and MTO and wrote this book and he ends up giving credit to someone else. I shouldn’t be bothered by this but charlatans in the Macedonian community are a dime a dozen.

Liberator of Makedonija 11-02-2018 08:28 PM

[QUOTE=TrueMacedonian;177602]This clown took all of my research on Maknews and MTO and wrote this book and he ends up giving credit to someone else. I shouldn’t be bothered by this but charlatans in the Macedonian community are a dime a dozen.[/QUOTE]

He credits SoM I believe.

Amphipolis 11-03-2018 03:53 AM

[QUOTE=Carlin15;177587][B]Vasili: The Arvanite language was used by the people in Greece[/B]

URLs:
[url]http://360grade.al/148796/vasili-gjuha-arvanite-perdorej-ne-popull-ne-greqi/[/url]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEHIqpGtoNo[/url]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYS60LKiWlg[/url]

Vasili: [COLOR="Blue"]"For many years, Arvanite language was accepted as the language of the people. So, the Arvanite language was the language of the people, while the official language was Hellenic. The most elite area of Nafplio is called "Arvanitja". It is the first capital."[/COLOR]

Vasili: [COLOR="blue"]"The Arvanites have been an extraordinary factor. They were 90% of the uprising against the Ottomans in 1921."[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

1. It would be interesting to know what Laertis Vasileiou is saying as he is a Greek-Albanian (meaning half-Greek, half-Albanian).

2. Nope. Arvanite was not the “language of the people", it was the language of the Arvanites. Arvanitia is not an elite segment of Nauplio, it is a beach where hundreds of Albanians were framed and killed by Turks, that’s how it got its’ name.

3. Nope, Arvanites were not an extraordinary factor (or… 90%) of Greek revolution. The extended article on Greek Revolution from English Wikipedia doesn’t even mention them once, while Albanian Wikipedia doesn’t even host an article on Greek Revolution.

[URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_War_of_Independence"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_War_of_Independence[/URL]

TrueMacedonian 11-03-2018 06:47 AM

[QUOTE=Amphipolis;177618]1. It would be interesting to know what Laertis Vasileiou is saying as he is a Greek-Albanian (meaning half-Greek, half-Albanian).

2. Nope. Arvanite was not the “language of the people", it was the language of the Arvanites. Arvanitia is not an elite segment of Nauplio, it is a beach where hundreds of Albanians were framed and killed by Turks, that’s how it got its’ name.

3. Nope, Arvanites were not an extraordinary factor (or… 90%) of Greek revolution. The extended article on Greek Revolution from English Wikipedia doesn’t even mention them once, while Albanian Wikipedia doesn’t even host an article on Greek Revolution.

[URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_War_of_Independence"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_War_of_Independence[/URL][/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5473[/url]

Liberator of Makedonija 11-03-2018 09:06 AM

[QUOTE=Amphipolis;177618]1. It would be interesting to know what Laertis Vasileiou is saying as he is a Greek-Albanian (meaning half-Greek, half-Albanian).

2. Nope. Arvanite was not the “language of the people", it was the language of the Arvanites. Arvanitia is not an elite segment of Nauplio, it is a beach where hundreds of Albanians were framed and killed by Turks, that’s how it got its’ name.

3. Nope, Arvanites were not an extraordinary factor (or… 90%) of Greek revolution. The extended article on Greek Revolution from English Wikipedia doesn’t even mention them once, while Albanian Wikipedia doesn’t even host an article on Greek Revolution.

[URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_War_of_Independence"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_War_of_Independence[/URL][/QUOTE]


Can you provided any sources to discredit Carlin's claims though?

Carlin15 11-03-2018 11:04 AM

[img]https://i.imgur.com/fYlbGn9.jpg[/img]

Carlin15 11-03-2018 11:10 AM

[B]"Alien settlers consisting of Romans": identity and built environment in the Julio-Claudian foundations of Epirus in the century after Actium[/B], in R. Sweetman (ed) 2011.
Roman Colonies in the First Century of their Foundation (Oxford): 101-116

Will Bowden

URL:
[url]http://www.academia.edu/11751288/_Alien_settlers_consisting_of_Romans_identity_and_built_environment_in_the_Julio-Claudian_foundations_of_Epirus_in_the_century_after_Actium_in_R._Sweetman_ed_2011._Roman_Colonies_in_the_First_Century_of_their_Foundation_Oxford_101-116[/url]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/8iidnIh.jpg[/img]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/5cvOCnk.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/vYI0C0n.jpg[/img]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/bI8CqoG.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/L9v1Xb9.jpg[/img]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/isGXvTn.jpg[/img]

Amphipolis 11-03-2018 01:17 PM

[QUOTE=Carlin15;177622][img]https://i.imgur.com/fYlbGn9.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]

Don't know what this is exactly, but of the six notables mentioned in lines 3 & 4 as Arvanites, only one was, Botsaris (a Souliote actually). There are probably discussions for each one of them in the forum (you can use the search engine).

You can also check it in Albanian wikipedia.

Carlin15 11-11-2018 09:52 PM

- Today, [B]Cyclades islands[/B] such as Syros and Tinos have some entirely [B]Catholic villages and parishes[/B], while many Greeks from the Cyclades have surnames with a [B]distinctly Italo-Venetian origin[/B] e.g. Venieris, Ragousis, Dellaportas, Damigos etc.

URL:
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_the_Archipelago[/url]

- [B]Albanians[/B], mostly on the Argosaronic gulf islands, the northeastern Aegean and [B]on some Cycladic islands[/B] (e.g. Andros, Ios, Kea and Kythnos),
- [B]Catholics, mostly on the Cyclads[/B], with their most significant communities being on Syros, Tinos, Naxos, Thera, Milos, Paros and Sifnos.

URL:
[url]http://www.ehw.gr/asiaminor/Forms/fLemmaBody.aspx?lemmaid=10496[/url]

Carlin15 11-11-2018 10:18 PM

[img]https://i.imgur.com/OWgKKVL.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/WZI9lvv.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/3VQDUrN.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/dyw6jn7.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/tLcf3UW.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/NbHi5Qf.jpg[/img]

Traditional “Vlach Wedding” in Thebes. Men and women in traditional costumes parade at the central streets of Thebes, re-enacting the custom of the “Vlach wedding” - newsreel [B]1962[/B]:
[url]https://www.europeana.eu/portal/en/record/09204/EUS_9B202B4A690F47CC940E9A86C56A814A.html[/url]

Greek Vlachs dancing during the Vlach wedding ritual at Thebes city, Boeotia, Greece.
[url]https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-greek-vlachs-dancing-during-the-vlach-wedding-ritual-at-thebes-city-88534535.html[/url]

In 1830, after liberation of Greece, Vlachs transfered their rituals to Thebes (birthplace of Bacchus, similar to Dionysian symposiums & worships taking place at that time) in an attempt to move from a infertile soil to a fresh pasture for their livestock. The cult combined with Christianity, in The Vlach Wedding revival, a bucolic wedding ritual parody, with a disguised bride, impersonated by a man, called the 'Vlach' thus making a mockery of the wedding custom itself.


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