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Carlin15 07-23-2018 06:16 PM

[QUOTE=tchaiku;175363]On Euboea 17th century -

[I]IT Lyes to the North of Boeotia extending North West and South East about 120 miles; Its Breadth, at the broadest place not above 30. It was taken from the Venetians in the year 1471. The soil is very fertile, affording all sorts of Graine, Wine, and Oyle, as likewise Flesh and Fowl; the Sea abounding with Fish. Since the Turks have had possession of it, [B]most of the Greeks are [U]Fled [/U]from the Villages, and Townes; [/B][COLOR="black"][COLOR="Blue"]So as the [B]inland places are mostly supplyed by Al∣baneses[[/COLOR][/COLOR][/B], who are the Shepherds, and serve the Turks at their Farmes. Formerly here were two Citys, and 500. Townes and Villages; Now there is but one, which can be called a City, which is the ancient Chalcis and now hath the name of the Island; by the Turks it is called Egriboz. It stands on a point of Land, having the Sea two Thirds about it. Betwixt it and the Maine is a small Island, with a strong Castle. From the Maine to the small Island is a bridge built up∣on six good Arches, and thence to the Maine[/I]




Carlin15 07-23-2018 10:02 PM



[SIZE="4"]I'm not sure if it's only me but I am having issues with the forum lately. I keep getting kicked out, and need to log in over and over again.[/SIZE]

tchaiku 07-24-2018 12:19 AM


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[I]Sarakatsani and Vlachs could be found mainly in the mountainous areas in central and northern Euboea respectively, but nowadays they have abandoned the nomadic way of life and live permanently in the towns and villages across the island.


Om3n 07-25-2018 04:05 AM


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tchaiku 07-26-2018 07:10 AM

Strabon writes "Thebes does not preserve the character even of a village." (9.2.5)" "In the province of Boeotia only two cities survived, of all the rest only ruins and names are left." (9.2.25)

tchaiku 08-09-2018 05:34 PM

[QUOTE=Carlin;169033]“The Greek geographer and historian Strabo (63 BCE-21 CE) described Greece as “a land entirely deserted; the depopulation begun since long continues. Roman soldiers camp in abandoned houses; Athens is populated by statues”.

Plutarch observed that “one would no longer find in Greece 3,000 hoplites [infantrymen].”

The historian Polybius (204-122 BCE) wrote: “One remarks nowadays all over Greece such a diminution in natality and in general manner such a depopulation that the towns are deserted and the fields lie fallow. Although this country has not been ravaged by wars or epidemics, the cause of the harm is evident: by avarice or cowardice the people, if they marry, will not bring up the children they ought to have. At most they bring up one or two. It is in this way that the scourge before it is noticed is rapidly developed. The remedy is in ourselves; we have but to change our morals.”

“Now moderation, adequacy, excess in nothing, and complete self-sufficiency are above all else the essential characteristics of everything done by the gods; and if anyone should take this fact as a starting-point, and assert that Greece has far more than its share in the general depopulation which the earlier discords and wars have wrought throughout practically the whole inhabited earth, and that to‑day the whole of Greece would hardly muster three thousand men-at‑arms, which is the number that the one city of the Megarians sent forth to Plataeae (for the god’s abandoning of many oracles is nothing other than his way of substantiating the desolation of Greece), in this way such a man would give some accurate evidence of his keenness in reasoning.”


Makes sense considering old Greeks were killing each other during city-states wars.

tchaiku 08-11-2018 04:47 AM

[QUOTE=Carlin15;171646][SIZE="3"][FONT="Palatino Linotype"]The "hellenic" Constantinople ... full of [B]barbarians[/B] and [B]foreigners[/B]. Almost the entire "hellenic" byzantine army were [B]foreigners[/B].[/FONT][/SIZE]

If you have similar posts about Eastern Roman Empire, I suggest it's better to post them here:
For easier research, this thread has 75 pages already.

Carlin15 08-12-2018 12:48 AM



Carlin15 08-12-2018 01:16 AM

Arvanites is one of the oldest villages on Samos - already mentioned in the description of Samos by Metropolitan Joseph Georgeirene, published in English in 1677.

The interpretation of the village name has not been fully elucidated. Several points are mentioned, of which the most plausible is that during the colonization of Samos in the middle of the 16th century, after 1562 families settled in the area (the oral tradition mentions two) that either had the surname or nickname "Arvanitis" or were from Arvanite regions of Attica or Tinos.

In the Turkish records of 1622 and 1642, the area is not the village of Arvanites, but the village of Ghika. Probably this village was also called Arvanites because of the origin of that "Ghika".


tchaiku 08-16-2018 08:57 AM

[QUOTE=Carlin;167987]Based on which sources do you base this belief on?

We have just read that up to 35,000 Roman veterans were settled in (southern) Greece, as well as having several waves of large-scale immigration into ([U]only[/U]) Corinth and Patras.

Furthermore, Justinian established Castle of Maina/[B]Mani[/B] and settled it with [B]Roman colonists[/B] from elsewhere. (I do not have the source handy.)

Let's not forget that - for want of Hellenes - 'Kapheroi, Thrakesians, Armenians, and others from different places and cities' were settled in Peloponnesos in the early ninth century.

Moreover, did we not already read (several times) the following:

- "And now most of Epirus and Hellas and Peloponnesus and Macedonia are inhabited by 'Scythi-Slavs'."
- And for [U]Western Peloponnese[/U] in particular: "And now not even the names of the Pisatans, the Caucones or the Pylians survive. All these regions are inhabited by 'Scythians'".

There were also minor settlements of Christian Orthodox Seljuk Turk "Romaioi" in the Peloponnesos as well (sometime during/after the 13th century).[/QUOTE]

Albanians colonization of Peloponnese:
1) Manuel Kantakouzenos - brought 8,000 Albanians in Peloponnese.
2) Nerio I Acciaioli - 800 Albanians families in the area of Corinth
3) Theodore II Palaiologos - brought 10,000 Albanian families in Peloponnese.
4) Centurione Zaccaria - moved thousands of Albanians in Western Peloponnese
5) Carlo Tocco - brought 10,000 (?) Albanians in Peloponnese 1425

Small waves:
Some Albanians were settled in Messinia by Venetians, some Albanians moved to Morea after the death of Scanderbeg.

Some thousands Albanians left Peloponnese for Italy in 16th/15th century.


Am I missing something?

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