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Carlin15 05-09-2018 10:48 PM

G. Nakratzas -

Carlin15 05-09-2018 11:02 PM


Carlin15 05-12-2018 07:04 PM

1) The Edinburgh History of the Greeks, c. 500 to 1500, by Florin Curta

Page 288 and Page 289 quotes/summaries:
- '[B]Kapheroi, Thrakesians, Armenians, and others from different places and cities' settled in Peloponnesos in the early ninth century[/B], while [B]Armenians 'and other rabble' came to Crete[/B] in the aftermath of the island's conquest in 961.
- The [B]Kapheroi[/B] may well have been [B]converted Arabs[/B] from the eastern frontier of the Empire.

2) The Crusades from the Perspective of Byzantium and the Muslim World, edited by Angeliki E. Laiou, Roy P. Mottahedeh.

Page 204, footnote 42:
- Some 2,000 [B]Armenians were settled in Crete in 1363[/B].

Carlin15 05-13-2018 03:18 PM

Additional book by G. Nakratzas. Will it be translated into english?



The book seems to contain separate chapters and material on:
- Attica
- Boeotia
- Thessaly
- Morea, and other regions


Carlin15 05-18-2018 06:44 PM

[QUOTE=Carlin;165246]Bavarian Establishment Of The Modern Greek Army 1832 - History Of Europe

The Bavarian Expedition To Greece King Otto Of Greece
By: Spiro De Castro Leon
Date: Tuesday, January 17th, 2012
Creation Of Greek State & Military By The Bavarians 1833-1865
Political Perspective

Modern Greece is a country born out of a mixture of regional ethnicities, mostly huddled under the banner of the Greek Orthodox Christian Church (often a flag of convenience for Jews in Turkey) and therefore describing themselves as 'Greek'.

European powers including Russia, Britain, Germany, Austria-Hungary, France and Italy, desired the demise of the troublesome Ottoman Empire and supported its breakup into independent countries, along ethnic-cultural lines, a rare instance of western European agreement, one of these newly created countries was modern Greece.

The consensus figure to become King Of Greece, and create the structures of an independent Greek state, was Prince Otto, Bavarian (German) King Ludwig's second son.

With money borrowed from the British Government and the illustrious Jewish banking family of Rothschild, an expedition of Bavarian buraeucrats and palace officials plus a Bavarian military expedition force of 3500 men was created as the initial army of Greece, these were dispatched in 1835 to Greece together with prince Otto as the new king of Greece

Brief Historical Perspective

Following the revolt against the Ottoman Turkish rule by (the Vassal administrator) Ali Pasha of Janina (now in modern Greece), Morea, Rumelia, and Thessaly also revolted in 1821, this was met with extreme cruelty by the Turks, the Greeks received no help from Europe or Russia, however numerous associations sprung up in northern Europe with the aim of helping Greece. One of those formed in Munich, the capital of Bavaria, led by the philologist and pedagogue (teacher) Thiersch.

In vain the pragmatic Metternich tried to argue with them that modern Greeks were not the Greeks of antiquity but a mixture of Albanians, Slavs, and other elements, the liberal romanticists like King Ludwig of Bavaria saw in Greeks the descendants of ancient Greeks who brought human culture to its highest perfection.

View/read the entire article here:


Repost - I posted this long time ago.

Carlin15 05-19-2018 12:06 PM

A lesson in ethnic assimilation and [U]language shift[/U] - the Germans of the Americas.




Carlin15 05-20-2018 03:30 PM


tchaiku 05-28-2018 11:51 AM


2) Euboea or Evia

"[B]The ethnic Greek population is descended from Arvanites and Vlachs[/B], who have lived in Euboea since the early Middle Ages."


Any data on northern Euboea? According to Hammond, Euboea's Christian population was almost entirely Albanian in 17th century (citing Randolph writings during his trip on Greece). One-third of Euboea was Albanian in early 19th century.

Carlin15 06-07-2018 11:40 PM

[B]Indian and Turkish ...Greek Music[/B]

Greek songs are pure copies of Indian, Turkish, and other songs. Refugee-born and devoid of musical education, Stellios Kazantizidis, pioneered such replicas and filled Greece with Madhubala, Ninaani, and many other eastern counterparts in both lyrics and music songs.

Madhubala, for example, was a real person, a Hindu actress and the homonymous song, which was later written by Stellios Kazantizidis, exists in an old Indian film. See below video.

[B]The Indian ...Greek music - URL[/B]:

[B][U]Article: When India Conquered Greece: Hindi Films of the 50s in Greece, By Dr. Helen Abadzi[/U][/B]

- As the above article implies, the transformed songs had a big problem: [B]plagiarism[/B]. With few exceptions, the songs appeared as creations of at least 26 Greek musicians. [B]The copying was systematic[/B]. Some musicians copied some songs on reel tape recorders directly from movie theaters, and in other cases, music companies ordered records from India and distributed them to willing people for copying. The names of Naushad Ali, Shankar-Jaikishan, and Chitalkar Ramachandra were never heard in Greece.

- During that same period, many [B]Turkish and Arabic songs were also copied and expropriated[/B] through acquisition of records and radio programs. (The Turkish and Arabic movies never achieved the prominence of their Hindi counterparts.) Although this tendency was generally known, it was not considered very important; [B][U][COLOR="RoyalBlue"]copies from neighboring countries could be explained away as originally Greek or as legitimate heritage of the refugees[/COLOR][/U][/B].

[U][B]Greece fell in love with Nargis and Madhubala in the 1950s – and is still singing songs of love[/B][/U]

Amphipolis 06-08-2018 01:05 PM

This is an interesting topic in a wrong thread. Actually the problem was not having a cover version and these were not cases of plagiarism. It's just that in the 50s, 60s and even the 70s the crediting rules and mentality was not the same and I'm pretty sure you have to blame the record companies and not the composers like Kaldaras and Kazantzidis who are actually really major Greek composers.

These Indian songs are still officially credited to the Greek "composers" and I have personally tried to change this but it weirdly hasn't changed yet, when the real composer is obviously the Indian duo Shankar-Jaikishan. The three songs given in the link are the three most famous cases known in Greece as "Afti i Nyhta Menei", "Oso Axizeis Esy" and "Ligo Ligo Tha Me Synithiseis".

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