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tchaiku 01-27-2020 06:40 AM

[QUOTE=Carlin15;182022]Thanks tchaiku. Is this "The Avar Invasion of Corinth" by G. R. Davidson (and Tibor Horvath)?[/QUOTE]

I directly got those screenshots from another forum I didn't take them myself. But I suppose that must be it.

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[I]Byzantine records note that Slav numbers were so great, that grass would not regrow where the Slavs had marched through.[/I]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavs#Migrations[/url]

Carlin15 01-29-2020 12:05 AM

After conquering Constantinople, when Mehmed II finally entered the city through what is now known as the Topkapi Gate, he immediately rode his horse to the Hagia Sophia.

[B]Mehmed's main concern with Constantinople was with rebuilding the city's defenses and[/B] [B]repopulation[/B]. Building projects were commenced immediately after the conquest, which included the repair of the walls, construction of the citadel, and building a new palace.

[B]Mehmed issued orders across his empire that Muslims, Christians, and Jews should resettle in the City demanding that five thousand households needed to be transferred to Constantinople by September.[/B] From all over the Islamic empire, prisoners of war and deported people were sent to the city; these people were called "Sürgün" in Turkish.

According to a survey carried out in 1478, there were then in Constantinople and neighboring Galata 16,324 households, 3,927 shops, and an estimated population of 80,000. [B]The population was about 60% Muslim, 20% Christian, and 10% Jewish.[/B]

URL:
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmed_the_Conqueror[/url]

Images from the series Rise of Empires: Ottoman:
[url]https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9244578/[/url]

"Ottoman Sultan Mehmed II wages an epic campaign to take the capital of Constantinople and shapes the course of history for centuries."

For the most part the series is true to history and portrays those fighting the Ottomans [B][U]as Romans[/U][/B].

[img]https://i.imgur.com/6NqgBke.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/XkTldBk.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/CbPUd8k.jpg[/img]

Carlin15 02-17-2020 02:06 PM

1) [B]Case Sotiris Bletsas for Minority Languages[/B] - Video:
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=74&v=e7tP0XpX9ns&feature=emb_title[/url]

[I]The case of Sotiris Bletsas that has been chased by the Greek Law for declaring that his mother language and his origin was Vlach[/I]

In 1995, at an Aromanian festival in Greece, he distributed some EBLUL material about minority languages in Greece. In 2001, on an initiative of the MP for Edessa Evgenios Haïtidis, he was charged with "dissemination of false information" (contrary to article 191 of the Greek Penal Code) who reportedly was supported by the leadership of the Panhellenic Federation of Cultural Associations of Vlachs. The case drew protest from the Greek Helsinki Monitor and from abroad. He was first found guilty and sentenced to fifteen months in jail, suspended for three years, and fined 500,000 drachmas, however, he successfully appealed the decision and was subsequently found not guilty on 18 October 2001.

2) Emperor Nicephorus (802-811) settled colonists from various parts of the empire - "[B]Kapheroi[/B], Thrakesians, Armenians, and [B]others[/B] [B]from different places and cities[/B]" - in the Peloponnese.

Possibly these [B]"Kapheroi"[/B] may have been [B]Syrian Christian ex-subjects of the Caliphate[/B] who had become refugees or evacuees.

URLs:
[url]https://books.google.ca/books?id=-sqiDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA306&dq=Kapheroi+Sparta&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjD4cqwqtnnAhXPc98KHSxWAVcQ6AEIMTAB#v=onepage&q=Kapheroi%20Sparta&f=false[/url]
[url]https://books.google.ca/books?id=Y2EbAAAAYAAJ&q=Kafir+Peloponnese&dq=Kafir+Peloponnese&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiGzM31qdnnAhWMmuAKHfmoCPo4ChDoAQgnMAA[/url]

3) The Venetian Senate authorized the chatelain of Methoni to hire 300 mercenaries. Methoni is an interesting example of how Venetian colonists were settled, and their subsequent way of life. In 1293 the Senate ordered the walls of Methoni and Korone to be rebuilt and the towns populated by 24 families sent from Venice. Inside the burgus, or fortified town, of Methoni were commercial warehouses.

URL:
[url]https://books.google.ca/books?id=kjC1CwAAQBAJ&pg=PA38&dq=venetian+colonists+cyprus&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjF5NTerNnnAhXsct8KHZPMBHIQ6AEIQjAD#v=onepage&q=venetian%20colonists%20cyprus&f=true[/url]

Carlin15 03-01-2020 09:56 AM

1) The term Koutsovlachs that is used by scholars since the past century and which very often has a humiliating character, is related to "Kioutsouk Vlachia" as the Turks called Aetolia-Akarnania ([I]Little Vlachia[/I]). This entire region was an area with majority Vlach-speakers until the years of Cosmas of Aetolia ([I]Epigram of Evgeniou Etolou[/I]).

2) Skourta is a village in Boeotia, Greece - probably associated by Arvanites. The Romanian version of the wikipedia page seems to mention Slavs and Vlachs:
[url]https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skourta[/url]

What I find interesting is that there was a family with the last name Skourta or Skurta in the village of my ancestors. The Skourta family were Vlach-speakers.

3) Rigas, Georgakis Olympios, Yiannis Pharmakis, Hatzipetros, Vlahavei, [U]all the benefactors[/U] except Sigron, Zappas, Averof, Sinas, Spiridon Lambrou, Papagos, Svolos, Kristallis and many others were of Vlach origin. Another aspect of the newly established Hellenic Republic that is not well known is that many modern artists are of Vlach origin like Koutsomitis, Prokovas, Papatakis, Tsitsanis, Virvos, Kaldaras, Mitropanos, Sgouros, etc.

Amphipolis 03-02-2020 02:29 PM

[QUOTE=Carlin15;182221] Another aspect of the newly established Hellenic Republic that is not well known is that many modern artists are of Vlach origin like Koutsomitis, Prokovas, Papatakis, Tsitsanis, Virvos, Kaldaras, Mitropanos, Sgouros, etc.[/QUOTE]

And... who wrote this? And why is there an unknown name among well-known names? You shouldn't worry about your posts being scrutinized. Nobody here (except for me) knows any of these guys. Actually if you had written 20 random names they wouldn't have noticed it.

I'm a little confused on whether you're partly Greek or not, if you can read or speak Greek, I wonder if any of these names means something to you.


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Carlin15 03-03-2020 07:52 PM

[QUOTE=Amphipolis;182231]And... who wrote this? And why is there an unknown name among well-known names? You shouldn't worry about your posts being scrutinized. Nobody here (except for me) knows any of these guys. Actually if you had written 20 random names they wouldn't have noticed it.

I'm a little confused on whether you're partly Greek or not, if you can read or speak Greek, I wonder if any of these names means something to you.


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Please follow up with user [B]Antioxos[/B] from [B]Hellas[/B] here:
[url]http://archive.worldhistoria.com/history-of-the-romanians-and-vlachs-2711310_topic12810_page2.html[/url]

Also, check with these bloggers:
[url]https://www.facebook.com/177919176140868/posts/first-cemetery-of-athens-greece-it-is-the-official-cemetery-of-the-city-of-athen/442643606335089/[/url]

"Here a lot of personalities with AROMANIAN / VLACH origins have the tombs.

Among the most famous personalities, we mention:

Odysseas Androutsos, hero of Greek War of Independence;
George Averoff, philanthropist, businessman;
Odysseas Elytis, poet;
Theodoros Kolokotronis, general, politician;
Giorgos Seferis, poet;
Michael Tositsas is one of the Great Benefactors of Greece;
Dimitris Mitropanos, singer"

Dove 03-03-2020 11:44 PM

[QUOTE]1) The term Koutsovlachs that is used by scholars since the past century and which very often has a humiliating character, is related to "Kioutsouk Vlachia" as the Turks called Aetolia-Akarnania (Little Vlachia). This entire region was an area with majority Vlach-speakers until the years of Cosmas of Aetolia (Epigram of Evgeniou Etolou).[/QUOTE]

Is the term "Kioutsouk" therefore a Turkish word? If not, to which language does it belong?

Amphipolis 03-04-2020 02:48 PM

[QUOTE=Carlin15;182250]
"Here a lot of personalities with AROMANIAN / VLACH origins have the tombs.

Among the most famous personalities, we mention:

Odysseas Androutsos, hero of Greek War of Independence;
George Averoff, philanthropist, businessman;
Odysseas Elytis, poet;
Theodoros Kolokotronis, general, politician;
Giorgos Seferis, poet;
Michael Tositsas is one of the Great Benefactors of Greece;
Dimitris Mitropanos, singer"[/QUOTE]

Only Averof and Tositsas were Vlachs or of Vlach origin.

Carlin15 03-05-2020 08:26 PM

[QUOTE=Dove;182255]Is the term "Kioutsouk" therefore a Turkish word? If not, to which language does it belong?[/QUOTE]

The term is likely derived from Turkish: Kioutsouk or Ciuchuk = small. At times, Thessaly and south Macedonia were considered Great Vlachia, whereas ‘small’ Vlachia was Aetolia-Akarnania and adjacent regions. (Pindus was called Upper Vlachia.)




[B]The following article was published in Greek in the journal[/B] [B]Thessalonikeon Polis, May 2003[/B]. The English version reflects updated information. [B]Helen Abadzi[/B] ([email protected]) [B]was born in Thessaloniki, Greece in 1951[/B]. Her ancestors were from eastern Thrace and Sarakatsanoi of Serres ([I]therefore Hellenized Vlach-speakers[/I]). She is an educational psychologist who works at the World Bank and has studied 16 languages. Her hobby is history, and she has published extensively on the interactions between Greece and India through the centuries as well as on Greek communities in British India.

Quote by Helen Abadzi:
"However, historically the members of this ‘minority’ have acted as the backbone of Hellenism: fighters against Ottoman occupation, like [B]Rigas Feraios, Giorgakis Olympios, and possibly Theodoros Kolokotronis[/B]; leaders of leftist resistance against the Germans (EAM), such as [B]Alexandros Svolos and Andreas Tzimas[/B]. [B]Distinguished writers like Kostas Krystallis and Christos Zalokostas were Vlach, as were contemporary composers like Apostolos Kaldaras, Kostas Virvos, Babis Bakalis, and Mitropanos[/B]. Many became rich Balkan merchants during the 18th and 19th centuries and many Greek national benefactors were Vlachs, such as [B]Nikolaos Stournaris, Georgios Arsakis, Michael and Georgios Tositsas, Georgios Sinas[/B]. Simon Sinas financed the construction of the Academy of Athens, while Georgios Averoff contributed to the first Olympic games."

URL:
[url]http://www.farsarotul.org/nl26_1.htm[/url]


Antonis Katsantonis, Arvanitovlach (Farsherot) from Agrafa
[img]https://i.imgur.com/19Zmp5P.png[/img]

Carlin15 03-08-2020 02:09 AM

[img]https://i.imgur.com/wLxbnmO.png[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/ScxZf64.png[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/R4HVdHx.png[/img]

This person (who is half Greek) discovered that his maternal grandfather spoke Albanian. He should stop the research right there - he might be displeased what he finds.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/kqioPMI.png[/img]

On that note, how many people actually do not know what languages their grandparents spoke?


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