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Amphipolis 06-29-2017 01:19 AM

[QUOTE=tchaiku;169800]That is all I have. [/QUOTE]

What do you mean "That's all"? Where does the content of post #606 come from?

tchaiku 06-29-2017 01:43 AM

[QUOTE=Amphipolis;169802]What do you mean "That's all"? Where does the content of post #606 come from?[/QUOTE]

An Albanian article however it does not have extra information or any source.
BUT ...
When describing Epirus around 1400, Isidore of Kiev writes that only the coast and the major 2 cities of Epirus have 'Hellenic' culture. The rest is inhabited by barbarians (Vlachs, Slavs, Albanians) and he names the Albanians because they were the less civilized of the barbarians.

Carlin 06-29-2017 11:38 AM

Book: The Crusades from the Perspective of Byzantium and the Muslim World, edited by Angeliki E. Laiou, Roy P. Mottahedeh.

Page 204, footnote 42: [COLOR="Blue"]Some 2,000 Armenians were settled in Crete in 1363.[/COLOR]

Amphipolis, your interpretation may be correct and I am inclined to even agree with it, however - it then follows that there were a few (or several) waves of [I]Albanian[/I] migrations (since, as we saw from my post using "The Statesman's Year-Book", the Albanian race occupied a considerable portion of the soil of ancient Greece, both within and outside of the new frontiers). Perhaps, the verses from Ephraim were just one example, or a sign of things to come.

[As I have already brought up to attention elsewhere, these Albanian migrations and settlements likely included significant numbers of Latinophone / Vlachophone [I]Albanians[/I].]

tchaiku 06-30-2017 01:24 AM

''Be it known that the inhabitants of Castle Maina are not from the race of aforesaid Slavs (Melingoi and Ezeritai dwelling on the Taygetus) but from the older Romaioi, who up to the present time are termed Hellenes by the local inhabitants on account of their being in olden times idolaters and worshippers of idols like the ancient Greeks, and who were baptized and became Christians in the reign of the glorious Basil. The place in which they live is waterless and inaccessible, but has olives from which they gain some consolation.''

It is interesting that the author did not use the term "Tzakones" but instead he refers to the inhabitants of Castle Mania.

tchaiku 06-30-2017 01:49 AM

[QUOTE=Carlin;169363]1) References to the [I]Helladikoi[/I] seem to show that there were [U]military units[/U] commanded by officers bearing titles typical of late Roman and early "Byzantine" military organization, and that these units had a [U]geographical identity[/U]. A seal referring to the regions under the military command of the [I]Helladic[/I] forces supports this impression.[/QUOTE]

:innocent: It is so interesting how often soldiers are mentioned when the topic of Tsakonians is brought up.

tchaiku 07-15-2017 01:08 PM

The grecophone population, which had come to South Albania in the XVII-XVIII century mainly as farmers in Albania for Albanian Beys, property managed to consolidate, evolve and become a national minority. During this process, part of this minority became not only the grecophone emigrants from Greece, but also Vlach individuals who lived or settled at different times in the area where the Albanian minority lives today as well as Albanian Orthodox who descended to Vurgu area Of Dropull from the surrounding highlands. These were hellenized as a result of historical circumstances such as the powerful influence of the Greek church, Greek-language education, contacts with Greece, the intensive political activity of the Greek government, as well as daily contacts and broad links with the Grecofone population as well as marriages.[/QUOTE]

[U][B]Ottoman census on Northern Epirus
The last Ottoman census, conducted in 1908, counted [U][B]128,000[/B][/U] Orthodox Christians and 95,000 Muslims in the region. Of the Orthodox population, an estimated [U][B]30,000 [/B][/U]to [U][B]47,000[/B][/U] spoke Greek exclusively [23% to 36%]. The rest of the Orthodox community spoke an Albanian patois at home, but was literate only in Greek, which was used in cultural, trading and economic activities

Page 10 and 11.
Total Greek Orthodox population of Northern Epirus: 13% to 22%.

tchaiku 07-16-2017 04:34 AM


Middle East and Egypt lost glory.

tchaiku 07-23-2017 10:14 AM

Is this real?

Amphipolis 07-24-2017 08:19 PM

Is this real?[/QUOTE]

Not exactly (only Frankish and Slavic)

Ξέρω πως είναι τίποτε όλ' αυτά και πως η γλώσσα που μιλώ δεν έχει αλφάβητο
Αφού και ο ήλιος και τα κύματα είναι μια γραφή συλλαβική που την αποκρυπτογραφείς μονάχα στους καιρούς της λύπης και της εξορίας
Κι η πατρίδα μια τοιχογραφία μ' επιστρώσεις διαδοχικές [B]φράγκικες ή σλαβικές[/B] που αν τύχει και βαλθείς για να την αποκαταστήσεις πας αμέσως φυλακή και δίνεις λόγο
Σ' ένα πλήθος Εξουσίες ξένες μέσω της δικής σου πάντοτε
Όπως γίνεται για τις συμφορές
Όμως ας φανταστούμε σ' ένα παλαιών καιρών αλώνι που μπορεί να 'ναι και σε πολυκατοικία ότι παίζουνε παιδιά και ότι αυτός που χάνει
Πρέπει σύμφωνα με τους κανονισμούς να πει στους άλλους και να δώσει μιαν αλήθεια
Oπόταν βρίσκονται στο τέλος όλοι να κρατούν στο χέρι τους ένα μικρό Δώρο ασημένιο ποίημα.

tchaiku 07-28-2017 02:32 AM

[QUOTE=tchaiku;167823]Slavs retreated Pindos mountains, western Crete, Laconia* in 11th century [I]according [/I]to this book:
Mysteriously Vlachs appear in those zones times after.

* - Keep in your mind that Slavs according to Byzantine historians ruled Peloponnese for over 200 years, so it puts things on perspective. Also it is fair to mention that non Slavic population start appearing in those zones after ''Hellenization'' of those Slavs.[/QUOTE]


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