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Daskalot 09-06-2008 03:19 AM

[QUOTE=Areianos;856]Why shouldn't we take lessons from the past to progress for the future?[/QUOTE]

good initiative, I respect you as a Greek, now you respect me as a Macedonian.

From that outset we can make something constructive and useful.

Areianos 09-06-2008 03:21 AM

I am a Macedonian.

Daskalot 09-06-2008 03:29 AM

[QUOTE=Areianos;874]I am a Macedonian.[/QUOTE]

so you are not Greek at all?

Зошто не кажа дека си бил наш човек?

Areianos 09-06-2008 03:31 AM

I am definitely Macedonian, I am definitely Greek.

Areianos 09-06-2008 03:33 AM

My village is clearly in the borders of the initial phase of the Macedonian Kingdom.


osiris 09-06-2008 03:56 AM

and you are also very confused about what it is to be a macedonian, its not like cofffe where you can rename it to suit your nationalist agenda.

Risto the Great 09-06-2008 03:59 AM

Does it matter?

Areianos 09-06-2008 04:01 AM

[QUOTE=osiris;889]and you are also very confused about what it is to be a macedonian, its not like cofffe where you can rename it to suit your nationalist agenda.[/QUOTE]

Why the racial slurs, do you have a problem?

Petros Houhoulis 09-06-2008 04:02 AM

[QUOTE=Daskalot;846]In Greece even to this day, the Church=the State. Even more so in earlier days.[/QUOTE]

Not any more. Despite the opposite view of more than a million Greeks (three millions according to the church itself) Greece has removed the reference to religion in the new ID cards since a couple of years ago.

If the 1/5 of the Greek population could not force the Greek state to keep the reference to religion in the ID cards, what makes you believe that the state is obedient to the church?


"In 2000, a major clash between church and state erupted when the then Greek socialist government sought to follow a decision of the Greek Data Protection Authority, by removing the "Religion" field from the national ID cards carried by Greek citizens. Christodoulos opposed the decision, complaining that socialist prime minister Costas Simitis did not consult with the Greek Church on the matter and claiming that it was part of a wider plan to marginalise the Church from Greek public life; he also stated that the decision was "put forward by neo-intellectuals who want to attack us like rabid dogs and tear at our flesh".[7] The archbishop organised two demonstrations in Athens and Thessaloniki, alongside a majority of bishops of the Church of Greece, supporting the inclusion of religious data on a voluntary basis, and asked for a referendum on the matter. For this purpose he was greatly supported as more than three million Greek citizens signed and asked for a referendum. In 2001, Christodoulos prompted international criticism after claiming that the ID decision had been instigated by Jews.[8] The Central Board of the Jewish Community in Greece subsequently sent him a letter on 20 March 2001, asking him to clarify the matter and expressing their opposition to the mandatory writing of religious status in identity cards.[9] The Archbishop replied in a letter that his source was the official web site of the USA Jewish Community where it was stated that the US Jewish Community had asked the Greek Government to remove religious status from Greek identity cards. He also noted that in Israel, the writing of religious status in identity cards is mandatory. [10] The official position of the Greek Church became that the writing of religious status on identity cards should be optional. However, the Greek Government proceeded to remove the writing of religious status completely from new identity cards."

Risto the Great 09-06-2008 04:03 AM

[QUOTE=Areianos;883]I am definitely Macedonian, I am definitely Greek.[/QUOTE]
Utterly senseless.

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