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Carlin15 03-29-2020 11:40 PM

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tchaiku 03-30-2020 04:12 AM

The contrast of Gothic toponyms in Italy and the Slavic toponyms in Greece is very interesting.
''Despite a sustained Lombard presence, the region has few Germanic toponyms.''
[url]https://books.google.com/books?id=xYwBAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA32&dq=germanic+toponyms+in+italy&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjM_4CZ58HoAhXCxcQBHUTmCu8Q6AEwB3oECAkQAg#v=onepage&q=germanic%20toponyms%20in%20italy&f=false[/url]

''All the Germanic placenames that do exist in Italy are only attached to small settlements, and it is noteworthy that no sixth-centry source refers to a single one.''
[url]https://books.google.com/books?id=7ndeDi_fwq0C&pg=PA333&dq=gothic+place+names+in+italy&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiesJj_5sHoAhVwxKYKHSxFBEcQ6AEwAHoECAIQAg#v=onepage&q=gothic%20place%20names%20in%20italy&f=false[/url]

Given the fact that Italy had 18,100,000 inhabitants in 1800, there were less Germanic toponyms in the whole of Italy than the 350-450 Slavic toponyms of Peloponnese with a population of 330,000 in 1800.
The Germanic impact in the gene pool of Italians is around 10% to 15%, so you have your conclusions.

Carlin15 04-04-2020 12:42 AM

[COLOR="Red"][B][SIZE="3"]Year 1814: Aetolia, now called Vlakia[/SIZE][/B][/COLOR]

A Sketch of Modern and Antient Geography ... Third edition, By Samuel Butler, 1814.

Page 150:
[SIZE="3"]"[B]West of Locris, Phocis, and Doris, was Aetolia, now called [I]Vlakia[/I], from the Valaques[/B], settled there by the Greek Emperors, having the Sinus Corinthiacus for its Southern, the river Achelous for its Western, and Thessaly for its Northern boundary."[/SIZE]

[I][COLOR="blue"]Greek Emperors[/COLOR][/I] = Byzantine or Roman Emperors
[I][URL="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.04.0064:entry=corinthiacus-sinus-geo"][U][COLOR="Blue"]Sinus Corinthiacus[/COLOR][/U][/URL][/I] = the Gulf of Corinth or the Gulf of Lepanto: the gulf between Northern Greece or Hellas Proper, and the Peloponnesus. It commenced, according to Strabo (viii. p.335, seq.), at the mouth of the Evenus in Aetolia (some said at the mouth of the Achelous) and the promontory Araxus in Achaia, and extended to the Isthmus of Corinth. It consisted of two distant portions, an outer and an inner sea, separated from one another by the narrow strait, between the promontories Rhium and Antirrhium.

URL:
[url]https://books.google.ca/books?id=aEa_GgUSM7MC&pg=PA150&lpg=PA150&dq=Valaques+Thessaly&source=bl&ots=onEH8ZvTAZ&sig=ACfU3U1VhH8Pz_Mhm-OCPsmQ7OUgniA0rQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwivnuvchM7oAhVEheAKHf9SCKMQ6AEwDXoECAwQOw#v=onepage&q=Valaques%20Thessaly&f=false[/url]

Carlin15 04-04-2020 08:58 PM

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Carlin15 04-17-2020 11:09 PM

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Carlin15 04-18-2020 11:42 PM

URLs:
[url]https://books.google.ca/books?id=A1UbAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA234&lpg=PA234&dq=Boukovalas+Hero&source=bl&ots=rf_DeQn96G&sig=ACfU3U3CEKk-LOFuV9-dE_W_x0j3RlNbNQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj-3N6-1PPoAhX7hHIEHeYaDW0Q6AEwA3oECAsQNg#v=onepage&q&f=false[/url]
[url]https://books.google.ca/books?id=pECAAAAAIAAJ&q=bucovala+aromanian&dq=bucovala+aromanian&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjY1tvU0_PoAhWuY98KHfTJC4IQ6AEILjAB[/url]
[url]https://books.google.ca/books?id=mzVpAAAAMAAJ&q=bucovala+aromanian&dq=bucovala+aromanian&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjFkfr30_PoAhXqV98KHUEkAFwQ6AEIJzAA[/url]

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Carlin15 04-24-2020 08:06 PM

URLs:
[url]https://books.google.ca/books?id=oil4DgAAQBAJ&pg=PT927&dq=Northern+Aetolia+remains+a+desolate+region,+inhabited+mainly+by+Vlach&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjy55HtsILpAhUbknIEHX6yAYIQ6AEIJzAA#v=onepage&q=Northern%20Aetolia%20remains%20a%20desolate%20region%2C%20inhabited%20mainly%20by%20Vlach&f=false[/url]
[url]http://www.lexcycle.com/library/Project_Gutenberg/The_Project_Gutenberg_EncyclopediaVolume_1_of_28/part3/[/url]

[SIZE="3"]"Northern Aetolia remains a desolate region, inhabited mainly by Vlach shepherds."[/SIZE]

tchaiku 04-24-2020 08:13 PM

Carlin here is how I see it:
Thrace:Slavs>Vlachs>Albanians
Macedonia: Slavs > Vlachs> Albanians
Epirus: Albanians> Vlachs> Slavs
Thessaly: Vlachs>Slavs>Albanians
Attico-Boetia: Albanians>Vlachs>Slavs
Euboea: Albanians>Vlachs>Slavs

Amphipolis 04-25-2020 03:18 PM

[QUOTE=tchaiku;182759]Carlin here is how I see it:
Thrace:Slavs>Vlachs>Albanians
Macedonia: Slavs > Vlachs> Albanians
Epirus: Albanians> Vlachs> Slavs
Thessaly: Vlachs>Slavs>Albanians
Attico-Boetia: Albanians>Vlachs>Slavs
Euboea: Albanians>Vlachs>Slavs[/QUOTE]

Based on the 1951 census, 5 biggest ethnic groups (based on mother language), bold when exceeding 1%

Continental Greece (& Euboea): [B]Greek[/B]>Turkish>Armenian>Albanian>Vlach
Peloponnesus: [B]Greek[/B]>Albanian>Turkish>Gypsy>Armenian
Ionian Islands: [B]Greek[/B]>Turkish>Armenian>Albanian>Italian
Thessaly: [B]Greek>Vlach[/B]>Turkish>Gypsy>Latino-Jewish
Macedonia: [B]Greek(92,9%)>Turkish(3,3%)>Slavic(2,4%)[/B]>Vlach(0,7%)>Gypsy(0,2%)
Epirus: [B]Greek>Vlach>Albanian>[/B]Turkish>Gypsy
Crete: [B]Greek[/B]>Turkish>Armenian>French=English
Aegean Islands: [B]Greek>[/B]Turkish>Slavic>Romanian>Armenian
Thrace: [B]Greek>Turkish>Pomak>Albanian[/B]>Gypsy



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Carlin15 04-25-2020 04:49 PM

[QUOTE=Amphipolis;182766]Based on the 1951 census, 5 biggest ethnic groups (based on mother language), bold when exceeding 1%

Continental Greece (& Euboea): [B]Greek[/B]>Turkish>Armenian>Albanian>Vlach
Peloponnesus: [B]Greek[/B]>Albanian>Turkish>Gypsy>Armenian
Ionian Islands: [B]Greek[/B]>Turkish>Armenian>Albanian>Italian
Thessaly: [B]Greek>Vlach[/B]>Turkish>Gypsy>Latino-Jewish
Macedonia: [B]Greek(92,9%)>Turkish(3,3%)>Slavic(2,4%)[/B]>Vlach(0,7%)>Gypsy(0,2%)
Epirus: [B]Greek>Vlach>Albanian>[/B]Turkish>Gypsy
Crete: [B]Greek[/B]>Turkish>Armenian>French=English
Aegean Islands: [B]Greek>[/B]Turkish>Slavic>Romanian>Armenian
Thrace: [B]Greek>Turkish>Pomak>Albanian[/B]>Gypsy



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Amphipolis, nobody really doubts the modern/official numbers of Greece, whether it's from a census from 1951... or 1911, etc.

For the most part, we are talking about ethnic and linguistic population groups that have historically inhabited the various regions of modern Greece, prior to the modern era.

For example, your 1951 census figures do not change the fact that Bernard Randolph (year 1687) reported that the Christian population of Euboea was in his day almost entirely Albanian.

Another example would be Maria Efthimiou, a modern Greek historian, who teaches World History and Greek History of the Turkish occupation period:

[img]https://i.imgur.com/MLetKym.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/FCHZTaI.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/6dax3dT.jpg[/img]
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