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Risto the Great 07-24-2020 05:04 PM

[QUOTE=Amphipolis;183594]No, anything goes actually. There are no rules of this sort.[/QUOTE]
I would say, as a general rule, the opposite of whatever way Macedonians pronounce it.

Carlin15 07-29-2020 12:15 PM

[QUOTE=Amphipolis;183581]I believe Greeks, a few Vlachs and Gypsies (Muslims)
[/QUOTE]

The ethnic makeup of Eleutheroupolis/Pravi/Pravishta within the last 100-150 years has been described as having [I]a few Vlachs[/I].

This is no different than, for example ([I]and this is just one example[/I]), how some described the ethnic makeup of Klissura.

Alexandre Synvet ("Les Grecs de l’Empire Ottoman. Etude Statistique et Ethnographique") wrote in 1878 that Klissura is inhabited by [B]7,000 Greeks[/B]. Similarly, Greek statistics from 1905 paint a similar picture to "Pravishta" --> [B]Klissura is a town with [U]3,700 Greeks[/U] and [U]100 Vlachs[/U][/B].

Klissura however, according to tradition, was founded in the 15th century by the merger of five Vlach settlements - Kotori di Yazia, Agru al Kyaku, Chereshi, Kardzha and Gyura. In Ottoman tax registers from 1481, Klissura is listed as a settlement with 76 families - about 500 inhabitants.

Other travelers/sources depict Klissura as a Vlach-speaking town in its entirety (of course, some/many also spoke Greek, belonged to the Patriarchate and had a Greek school in the town). The town is described as a "Wallach town" as late as 1904.

When was Pravishta established and what are the traditions around its founding?

Amphipolis 07-30-2020 03:58 AM

LOL, what's wrong with you? The establishment is obscure as it is located on what was (until recently) the main route from West to East and the district was always inhabited. I've read that the exact location and town was formed during Ottoman Empire, but I'll have to search more.

This was a flourishing industrial town until the Balkan Wars devastated the tobacco market before the two Bulgarian occupations make things even worse. I don't know when my grandmother left the town or if any of her five siblings remained there. It's certain that Kavala has been becoming more and more important while Eleutheroupolis is going down.

Statitsa 07-30-2020 06:07 PM

[QUOTE=Liberator of Makedonija;183576]My family speak Kosturski but say [I]zab[/I]. We do say [I]ranka[/I] instead of [I]raka[/I] however; I do not know about [I]čedo/čendo[/I].[/QUOTE]

In Statitsa, (which is located in the northern reaches of the Kostur region) the words chendo, and zamb / zambi are common, however, we utilize the word raka for hand, which could be due to the village's proximity to Lerin.

Carlin15 09-06-2020 10:28 AM

[B]ITALIAN PROVINCES IN GREEK REGIONS[/B]

The Kingdom of Italy (1861-1947) expanded Italian influence and control on some islands of Greece. In the first half of the XX century there were also a few tentatives to create these "italian provinces" in those islands: "Provincia di Corfu", "Provincia di Rodi", "Provincia delle Cicladi" and "Provincia delle Sporadi".

Initially these tentatives were due to some ideals linked to the "Italian Irredentism", like as happened with Corfu and the Ionian islands. [B]Those islands (mainly Corfu, actual Kerkyra) in the beginning of the XIX century had a huge community of venetian speaking inhabitants (the island of Cefalonia -actual Kephalonia- was nearly totally venetian speaking in the XVIII century, according to: Kendrick, Tertius T. C. (1822).[/B] "The Ionian islands: Manners and customs"; p. 106 ), as a consequence of the Republic of Venice "dominions" in this region since the Middle Ages. [B]For example one of the Italian "Risorgimento" fathers was Ugo Foscolo, born in Zante (actual Zakynthos).[/B]

Full article here:
[url]http://researchomnia.blogspot.com/2020/09/italian-provinces-in-greek-regions.html[/url]

Risto the Great 09-06-2020 07:43 PM

Let us not forget San Torino.
(Santorini)

Carlin15 09-07-2020 08:14 AM

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;183790]Let us not forget San Torino.
(Santorini)[/QUOTE]

Interestingly, according to "wikipedia":

[I]Santorini was named by the Latin Empire in the thirteenth century, and is a reference to Saint Irene, from the name of the old cathedral in the village of Perissa – [U]the name Santorini is a contraction of the name Santa Irini[/U].[/I]

URL:
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santorini[/url]

Also, the Arvanite island of Spetses bears a Venetian/Italian name:

[I]In the 15th century, [U]the Venetians who ruled the island since 1220, named it Spezia ("Spice")[/U] for its position on a major traderoute that dealt in spices. Over time the name was Hellenised to Spetsai (Spetse/Spetses).[/I]

URL:
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spetses[/url]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/2mgZMEx.png[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/DOnikr9.png[/img]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/hnYOoRk.png[/img]

Risto the Great 09-07-2020 11:10 PM

I have seen it as Santorino for years.
Oh well. Still Italian.

Carlin15 09-18-2020 11:08 PM

[QUOTE=Carlin15;183786][B]ITALIAN PROVINCES IN GREEK REGIONS[/B]

The Kingdom of Italy (1861-1947) expanded Italian influence and control on some islands of Greece. In the first half of the XX century there were also a few tentatives to create these "italian provinces" in those islands: "Provincia di Corfu", "Provincia di Rodi", "Provincia delle Cicladi" and "Provincia delle Sporadi".

Initially these tentatives were due to some ideals linked to the "Italian Irredentism", like as happened with Corfu and the Ionian islands. [B]Those islands (mainly Corfu, actual Kerkyra) in the beginning of the XIX century had a huge community of venetian speaking inhabitants (the island of Cefalonia -actual Kephalonia- was nearly totally venetian speaking in the XVIII century, according to: Kendrick, Tertius T. C. (1822).[/B] "The Ionian islands: Manners and customs"; p. 106 ), as a consequence of the Republic of Venice "dominions" in this region since the Middle Ages. [B]For example one of the Italian "Risorgimento" fathers was Ugo Foscolo, born in Zante (actual Zakynthos).[/B]

Full article here:
[url]http://researchomnia.blogspot.com/2020/09/italian-provinces-in-greek-regions.html[/url][/QUOTE]

[B]ITALIAN CYCLADES[/B]

"Among the civilian population there was a substantial approval of the Italian presence only in the area of ​​the capital of Siro and in the island of Tino, where [B]many boasted distant Venetian roots[/B] and were numerous Catholics for centuries - especially in the town [B]"Ano Syros"[/B], [B]founded in 1200 by the Venetians[/B]."

Carlin15 09-18-2020 11:20 PM

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;183798]I have seen it as Santorino for years.
Oh well. Still Italian.[/QUOTE]

1) "[B]There is a strong Italian admixture in the population of Santorin[/B], although the Italian language has disappeared ; about 600 of the richest and most intelligent part of the population retain the Roman Catholic religion, and lead in the educational and intellectual development of the island."
-- Peace Handbooks: The Balkan States - Page 14 [Great Britain. Foreign Office. Historical Section, ‎George Walter Prothero - [B]1973[/B]]

2) "[B]French and Italian families still form a distinct element of the population of Naxos, Santorin, and Syra[/B]."
-- Greece, Turkey in Europe, Rumania, Servia, Montenegro, Italy, Spain, and Portugal - Page 45 [New York: D. Appleton And Company, Elisée Reclus - [B]1881[/B]]

3)
[img]https://i.imgur.com/uYh9Rd9.png[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/d6RLcaI.png[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/Zx5e1rm.png[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/BMN2jps.png[/img]


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