A more detailed response for you:-
Epirot -Oh yes. According to you, there were no Albanians prior 2001. I am really tired of hearing such groundless claims about accepting a "non-indigeneous population". You can maintain such a view, but believe me nobody will take you seriously. How can anyone gives credit to this statement? Albanians are inhabitants of Macedonia as well as Macedonians and other people who live for centuries there. The question who got the first Macedonia have no weight to determine the present state of things, have it?
Groudless claims about a non indigeneous population? - How many of the appx. 300,000 that sought refuge from Kosovo atrocities by going to Macedonia, actually remained in Macedonia and are not yet citizens?
How many of these still travel between Kosovo & Macedonia, without Macedonian passports?
Albanians may well be inhabitants of Macedonia and may well have been for hundreds of years - however this is Macedonia not Albania, either accept and be loyal to your country of residence or exercise your democratic right to leave!
It's not a matter of who got their first, it's a matter of where exactly are you! - not happy there? exercise your democratic right to leave or adopt the laws of the country you live in!
That's groundless! Albanians do not refuse to become citizens of Macedonia. For the sake of argument let accept that Albanians are refusing to become citizens of Macedonia...then why each of them have a passport of Macedonia?
Seriously, have you ever read the constitution of Macedonia? Your statements carries no value since you're not living in Macedonia because you would be known with another reality. I know a lot of friends in Macedonia who speak fluently Macedonian. Most of them are young
My statement carries the utmost value - I'm Macedonian - remember? I don't need to be living in Macedonia to know what is going on or to care about my country!
So you have a lot of friends who speak Macedonian, congratulations, considering they live in Macedonia it is an expectation, not something to be expecting praise for!
Be careful now because you never backed up just a single accuse with a solid document. Albanians pays taxes as every people in Macedonia. I have not met until know any official reaction of government or any Macedonian party that Albanians are not paying taxes or something like that? Maybe the level of paying the electricity and other services is not satisfactory, but this is common for all Balkans states, isn't it? I do not believe that Macedonians themselves pay 100% electricity and other services.
I can back up all my comments with people and their evidence, people who live there, have lived there or have been back there!
"maybe the level of paying the electricity and other services is unsatisfactory" - MAYBE? surely you jest? This is such common knowledge in Macedonia and even outside of Macedonia, that all you have to do is visit the electricity company and ask them who is and who isn't paying their bills, once youv'e done that come back and preach to me about your law abiding compatriots!
What you believe is irrelevant!
The failure of census cannot attributed to Albanians. There were a lot of technical problems and the authorities in Macedonia were not prepared adequately for census. How do you know that Albanian tried to inflate their numbers, when no statistic for this census has been produced yet?
Your post was exactly as following:
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I was going to lobby for them asll to be sterilised originally
If this is not hatred, I really dunno what is?
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I was going to lobby for them asll to be sterilised originally
If this is not hatred, I really dunno what is?
You answer your own question quite well here "I really dunno what is?"
I agree with you on this one - you really dunno what is!
[QUOTE][Oh common, you're missing my posts. I did not say that all the members here are similar to the Greek prototypes. I was addressing just to a few members who demonstrate hatred in daily basis. I was careful to say "a certain members here do not differ much from their Greek prototypes" in order to differentiate them from most of honest and well-educated Macedonians here.
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I haven't missed a thing here, it is you who is missing many things, for example where did I state that you said "ALL MEMBERS"?
Your choice of words is very poor, I do not see any members here display hatred on a daily basis - I see them display patriotism, loyalty, frustration, disbelief, anger and many other emotions - not hatred! Regardless whether they are "honest", "well educated", they are Macedonians and this is a Macedonian Forum! - unless of course if you threaten us with terrorist tactics to turn this into a Albanio-Macedonian Forum.
I am grateful to that courtesy, something that you cannot meet in any Greek forum. From the moment I joined to this forum, I've respected strictly every basic rule of the forum. That's why the admins never complained about my presence here. During all the time I spent in MTO, I supplied with a lot of documents, passages and proofs in the favor of Macedonians. A lot of historical documents that are used by your friends are merely a modest contribution of mine. I enjoyed immensely every civilized debate in the History section and I hope my performance is good. The mutual courtesy does not mean that we should close our eyes when anyone use racist slurs against any people
Once again I will say that I have enjoyed many of your posts and I am grateful for the information and historical data that you provide here and the healthy and robust debates you have engaged in, however when you question my motives or imply that I display hatred or misinterpret what I write then I will question you and hold you to account for your comments - to which you have failed to answer my questions on. Furthermore for the last time kindly refer me to the "racist slurs" you refer to or my next post may not be as forgiving or diplomatic!
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