Ljupcho Georgievski - The Traitor

[sydney]

western bulgaria?

[Stojacanec]

He should be admired for his honesty, commended for his efforts both past and present then banished from office, and his passport taken away never to enter Macedonia again.

[George S.]

Ljupco has ripped macedonia off to the tune of 100's of millions of$$$$$.He want's to come back to politics but there are people in macedonia that want to get a piece of him for all the damage he has done.

[sydney]

hey george. is that just your opinion that there are people in MKD that want some type of revenge? the majority of influential people in MKD run in the same circles so not sure who are these people you speak of?

[Risto the Great]

Yeh, I tend to think there is a bit of a boy's club that the name of Macedonia barely means anything to.

[Prolet]

Ljubco has had his time and should be in jail for treason.

Risto, There wont be any name change, the EU has no authority to change our name the only ones who can do it is ourselves which would be high treason.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Prolet, you're a circus, there are probably about 50 threads where you chime in with some sort of apologetic garbage and disappear in a cloud of dirt without answering the questions that have been put to you. The name has already been changed for international use. Why hasn't Nikola Gruevski done a single thing to reverse this?

[Risto the Great]

Risto, There wont be any name change, the EU has no authority to change our name the only ones who can do it is ourselves which would be high treason.

The EU simply waves the money around in front of the DPMNE leaders and says "no name change, no money". So when DPMNE offered to change it Macedonia-Skopje, they did it because they were delirious with the smell of the money.

Prolet, are you denying Miloshoski's formal letter about the DPMNE's decision to change the name to Macedonia-Skopje? Why would you choose to stick your head in the ground about this? Wake up and smell the sellouts (you support blindly) Prolet.

[Prolet]

Risto, This current Macedonian Government has openly stated that they do not have the authority to change our name. I've made my views perfectly clear, i fully support the decision of our people from the Diaspora which is breaking away from these shameful negotiations immediately.

The EU is in very bad shape at the moment, Portugal just recently asked for a 90 billion euro bailout. Life in the EU for our citizens will infact get harder, what positives are there for us to be in the EU? We're already receiving EU grants, our citizens are on the white travel list of the EU so what else is there that the EU will give us for changing our name? Its simply not worth it.

[Vangelovski]

Someone on here pointed out the Prolet and fyrOM both provide pointless and irrelevant commentary, suggesting they may be the same person...or at least smoking the same bongs. They may be right.

[Serdarot]

љуБчо е името на кодошов, а не љупчо.

со Б, да се знај дека е Б`лгарски кодош.

[Risto the Great]

Risto, This current Macedonian Government has openly stated that they do not have the authority to change our name. I've made my views perfectly clear, i fully support the decision of our people from the Diaspora which is breaking away from these shameful negotiations immediately.

The EU is in very bad shape at the moment, Portugal just recently asked for a 90 billion euro bailout. Life in the EU for our citizens will infact get harder, what positives are there for us to be in the EU? We're already receiving EU grants, our citizens are on the white travel list of the EU so what else is there that the EU will give us for changing our name? Its simply not worth it.

Maybe you can read if the letters are bigger:

In the course of those negotiations, the Republic of Macedonia accepted a number of proposals put forward by Mr. Nimetz as a basis for a solution, including the proposal of March 2008 of “Republic of Macedonia (Skopje)”, which the Hellenic Republic regrettably rejected.

There it is.
DPMNE regretted not being able to change Macedonia to Republic of Macedonia (Skopje).

Prolet, if DPMNE regretted this action, can you please advise what would have happened if the Hellenic Republic accepted the proposal. Would DPMNE have regretted the name change? Why try to polish a turd?

[Pelister]

Risto, This current Macedonian Government has openly stated that they do not have the authority to change our name. I've made my views perfectly clear, i fully support the decision of our people from the Diaspora which is breaking away from these shameful negotiations immediately.

The EU is in very bad shape at the moment, Portugal just recently asked for a 90 billion euro bailout. Life in the EU for our citizens will infact get harder, what positives are there for us to be in the EU? We're already receiving EU grants, our citizens are on the white travel list of the EU so what else is there that the EU will give us for changing our name? Its simply not worth it.

Gruevski does not have the explicit authority of the people to be negotiating, in the first place (leave alone a name change for the moment). Most interested observers would conclude, that on a question relating to our historical and national identity, the permission of the people would be needed, only to engage. If Gruevski was at all serious about protecting the people, protecting our history and our history, he would have rejected the Greek position immediately, for what is was - a lie.

The trouble is that the Constitution, is clear that power resides in the elected representatives, who make decisions for and on behalf of the people. You can bet that Gruevski believes he has the power and right to be negotiating, even though the Macedonian people are against it because he is their elected representative. This is in fact a subversion of power, and deadly blow to the Macedonian State. It demonstrates that he clearly intends to decieve the Macedonian people about the nature of the 'negotiations'. He has cleverly painted a picture that they have no option, and painted himself in as the 'saviour'.

The warning bells were ringing loud when Gruevski was sending very ambiguous signals about his 'position' regarding a name change a few years ago. I think that someone has to bury this traitor, and destroy that political party, for what it has become. It doesn't deserve to go by the name it does.

[George S.]

well said there pelister.

[Soldier of Macedon]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_Macedonians_in_Bulgaria#cite_note-Rotschild-7

In 1999, Ivan Kostov and Lubcho Georgievski, the Prime-ministers of Bulgaria and Macedonia respectively, signed a common declaration that within Bulgaria a Macedonian minority does not exist.

If anybody has access to the text in this document, please post it up here.