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Last edited by Risto the Great; 07-21-2018, 03:06 AM.Risto the Great
MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
"Holding my breath for the revolution."
Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com
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Originally posted by Carlin15 View PostIf Macedonians would like their own indepedent church there is no good reason or argument that could or should prevent that
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"Haughtiness" because the Macedonian church wanted to be no less than the Serbian church. Spare me.Risto the Great
MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
"Holding my breath for the revolution."
Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com
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Originally posted by Risto the Great View Post"Haughtiness" because the Macedonian church wanted to be no less than the Serbian church. Spare me.
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Originally posted by Om3n View PostHow were they "less" than the Serbian Church in whose power it was in the first place to grant them autonomy?
Power unfairly and inappropriately given or assumed is an illegitimate power.
The Serbs have always been the most sympathetic to Macedonians' self-determination as a separate nation
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Originally posted by vicsinad View PostWho gave the Serbian Orthodox Church that power, and when and how?
Power unfairly and inappropriately given or assumed is an illegitimate power.
I'm assuming you're talking about Serbia in comparison to Macedonia's neighboring Balkan states.
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Originally posted by Om3n View PostHow were they "less" than the Serbian Church in whose power it was in the first place to grant them autonomy?
Originally posted by Om3n View PostIt was granted it in the Ecumenical Patriarchate (one of the five ancient Sees I mentioned above) in the 14th century
From Wikipedia:
The status of the Serbian Orthodox Church grew along with the expansion and heightened prestige of the Serbian kingdom. After King Stefan Dušan assumed the imperial title of tsar, the Serbian Archbishopric was correspondingly raised to the rank of Patriarchate in 1346. In the century that followed, the Serbian Church achieved its greatest power and prestige.
On April 16, 1346 (Easter), Stefan Dušan convoked a grand assembly at Skopje, attended by the Serbian Archbishop Joanikije II, Archbishop Nicholas I of Ohrid, Patriarch Simeon of Bulgaria and various religious leaders of Mount Athos. The assembly and clergy agreed on, and then ceremonially performed the raising of the autocephalous Serbian Archbishopric to the status of Patriarchate.
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Originally posted by Karposh View PostIt's funny to hear you say that because in 1219 it was the Ohrid Archbishopric which had the power to grant the Serbian Church independence but it was instead granted by the Nicean archbishop when they decided to break away from the Ohrid Archbishopric. Quite ironic don't you think that the mother church has to now beg the runaway daughter for recognition?
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Originally posted by Om3n View PostHow were they "less" than the Serbian Church in whose power it was in the first place to grant them autonomy? Simply put, the only caveat to this is that the Serbian Patriarchate would ordain the Archbishop of the Church but in every other respect it was independent and self-governing, and "Macedonian". The Serbs have always been the most sympathetic to Macedonians' self-determination as a separate nation but nonetheless in the realm of religion this is another matter altogether. For the first thousand years there were only five Patriarchates in the whole world and they were all centred around cities not kingdoms, regions, or "ethnicities".Risto the Great
MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
"Holding my breath for the revolution."
Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com
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Originally posted by Risto the Great View PostThe Serbs are one of the wolves who suppressed and denied the Macedonian identity. Not sure where you've been the last 100 years. Waiting for the Serbian church to do anything for the Macedonian church sounds very much like a pro Yugo mentality. The same mentality has created the fyromian and NMKD mental distortions. I can't take you seriously.
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Originally posted by Om3n View PostBut no one is really coming at this from a perspective of faith but rather national/political interests
Until the Balkan peoples (and others) can agree to completely disassociate nationality from Orthodoxy, the MOC should continue to demand equal standing and footing as other churches. That's the Macedonian argument. A case can be made for an Orthodox religious argument, which I'm not qualified to advocate for or oppose, but I do know the prime target of that argument should not be the Macedonian Orthodox Christians, but others.
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Originally posted by KarposhAre you referring to its abolition in 1767?"
Originally posted by vicsinadMacedonia's national interests are, unfortunately, currently inseparable from the Macedonian Orthodox Church, and this is because Serbia, Bulgaria and Greece, in the late 19th century, treated their churches as national and political tools. And they still do today.
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