Macedonia and NATO

[Pelister]

Even if Macedonia doesn't get into NATO or the EU due to vetos from Albania, Bulgaria, or 'greece' we will still be fine. Perhaps we can join Turkey in a federation. We recently opened our 7th consulate in Turkey. All this from a country of 2 million people.

It has to do with the hundreds of thousands of Muslim Macedonians living in Turkey.

[NikodimMKD]

Does nikodick think we're all fucking morons or is he on some hardcore drugs?

I don't do drugs...

[Soldier of Macedon]

So I take it your opinion is the former? Or does that appellation best fit you?

[DedoAleko]

Greek Opposition Vows to Resolve Name Spat

Skopje | 02 September 2009 | Sinisa-Jakov Marusic


Athens
Greece's main opposition party, the Panhellenic Socialist Party, PASOK, will take a different course in resolving the naming dispute with neighbouring Macedonia should it win fresh polls.

"When PASOK comes to power we will solve the issue .We will be sending a message of reconciliation, not of confrontation,“ PASOK's Andreas Loverdos, told Greek news portal Newstime.gr on Wednesday.

Loverdos, who served as deputy premier from 2002 to 2004, blames the ruling conservative New Democracy party for transforming differences over the naming issue into a full-blown confrontation with Skopje.

Last year, Athens blocked Skopje's NATO entrance over the long-standing dispute, seriously damaging bilateral relations. Athens argues that its neighbour's official name, Republic of Macedonia, implies that Skopje is making territorial claims to Greece's northern province of Macedonia.

Loverdos says that Greek Foreign Minister Dora Bakoyannis is making a mistake by not engaging in direct talks with Skopje and instead leaving the matter of finding a mutually acceptable compromise to UN mediator Matthew Nimetz.

As a sign of good will, "PASOK will accept the return to Greece of Slavmacedonian refugees who left the country after the civil war", Loverdos added. Slavmacedonians is the name used by some Greek officials to refer to Macedonians.

Skopje demands the return of the refugees, who fought on the side of the Democratic Army of Greece, the military branch of the Greek Communist Party, which lost the 1946-1949 civil war.

Prime Minister Kostas Karamanlis recently told voters to prepare for early elections on September 16, which he hopes will see New Democracy secure a fresh mandate to overhaul Greece's financial and social systems.

Macedonia fears that Greece could move to block its EU accession process due to domestic political considerations. Athens has openly threatened to do so, pending a solution to the row.

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/main/news/21970/

Is this something new coming from them? It's not like anyone should fall for this crap,of course,but anyway...

[Daskalot]

they are continuing to play games, they just changed the line up a little, but it is essentially the same crap.

[777Bitola]

It would be better for Macedonia if it doesn't join EU.

[Risto the Great]

It would be better for Macedonia if it doesn't join EU.

I agree with you.

[Risto the Great]

Is this something new coming from them? It's not like anyone should fall for this crap,of course,but anyway...

It is new I suppose. Clearly living in denial has not worked for the ruling party, so an alternative must be attempted. Who knows with those people.

[Soldier of Macedon]

As a sign of good will, "PASOK will accept the return to Greece of Slavmacedonian refugees who left the country after the civil war", Loverdos added. Slavmacedonians is the name used by some Greek officials to refer to Macedonians.

Allowing people to return to their ancestral lands is not a sign of "good will", it is a sign of humanity and normality. The mere fact that these bananas from PASOK wish to use this as a bargaining chip speaks volumes, they are no better than the bozos in Nea Demokratoglou.

They can come and deal with the Macedonians directly rather than going through the UN, the end game is the same - Macedonians will not give up the identity of their people. So, apart from trying to avoid a law suit, what exactly does PASOK think it can offer in terms of providing a solution to this matter, while taking the above into account?

None of these clowns provide real solutions, all they have to offer are lies and unacceptable proposals.

[Sovius]

Slavmacedonian instead of Slavoskopian? Now that’s progress. I guess in another century they’ll be saying Macedonian Slavs and Slav Greeks, at this pace. Some excellent Slav reporting by the Slav, I might add.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Yes, that is a good bilateral compromise that PASOK can offer - When Macedonians communicate with Greeks, it shall be Macedonian Slavs and Greek Slavs (or Greek Albanians, we will decide for them as they think they can decide for us).

All of this, mind you, because of Greece.

To the rest of the world, we will continue to remain as Macedonians.

[Bratot]

Politics huh

They probably just want more votes, including ours.

The Greek policy is one and same, no matter which party is in the government.

[osiris]

this is such a momentus occasion does that mean that from now on greek politicians will only masturbate with one hand while using the other to fix their huge public debt the 5th largest in the world. let me me guess, is greece the 5th largest economy in the world, because if its not they are in deep shit and would do well to accpet they live in the same reality as every other nation, sadly grekos gekkos beccos whatever you want to call yourselves, you have much deeper fish to fry than beating your chest over the name makedonia.

we have a saying in macedonian, selo gori baba se cheshla.

thats exactly what greeces political elite and its many world renowed minds have been doing these past hundred years.

living in hellenic fantasy land the place that only they can define and the place where time loops the loop and everything is greek again and again and again like zorba danced by drunken brits on an island holiday.

[George S.]

Is'nt there a saying beware of greeks bearing gifts.remember the fall of troy.Why would greece capitulate now when all else shows it wants total annilihation of anything macedonian.Also people are saying that greece is going to become a better democracy,better for what to destroy the macedonian cause.They don't even give us the recognition & decency after all these years to say to us yes you are macedonian.Greece will not budge.More of the same.
George S.

[makedonin]

I don't even want to know what they understand by "solving" or "good will".

Trowing with words around, smoke screen.