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Macedonia and NATO
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"Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
GOTSE DELCEV
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Originally posted by Zakynthian View PostThis survey sounds like wishfull thinking (if there was any survey in the first place).
The FP Survey: The Future of NATO
Does the 63-year-old alliance still matter today? We asked politicians, scholars, and other observers from both sides of the Atlantic to weigh in.
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article..._nato?page=0,1
Before your possible claim that these people supposedly being Turkish, here is the list of international participants;
Participants (59): David Aaron, David Abrahams, Rafael Bardaji, Hans Binnendijk, Dirk Brengelmann, Yves Brodeur, Ian Brzezinski, Frances Burwell, Christopher Chivvis, W. Eugene Cobble, Heather Conley, Marios Efthymiopoulos, Charles Freeman, Karsten Friis, Jeremy Ghez, James Goldgeier, Ana Maria Gomes, Ulrike Guerot, Jason Healey, P. Terrence Hopmann, Toomas Hendrik Ilves, James Joyner, Rasa Jukneviciene, Karl Kaiser, Lawrence Kaplan, Sarwar Kashmeri, Sean Kay, Daniel Keohane, Jim Kolbe, Aleksander Kwasniewski, Iurie Leanca, Henrik Liljegren, Julian Lindley-French, Richard Lugar, Jüri Luik, George Maior, Tomas Malmlöf, Sally McNamara, Alessandro Minuto-Rizzo, Shuja Nawaz, Boyko Noev, Clara Marina O'Donnell, Ioan Mircea Pascu, Barry Pavel, J. Peter Pham, Tomas Ries, Matthew Rojansky, Stephen Saideman, Kori Schake, Daniel Serwer, Stanley R. Sloan, John Tanner, Jan Techau, Kenneth Weisbrode, Damon Wilson, Boguslaw Winid, Jörg Wolf, Dov Zakheim, Michael Zilmer-Johns.
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@Onur
18 out of 59 makes 30%, thus it does not represent a majority trend but a wishfull thinking of 18 out of 59 participants. the rest does not share the same opinion.
The title of this thread is "Greece to be kicked out of NATO:survey" (I can't remember any NATO summit where this was on the agenda and after all there is no provision within the statute of the NATO) which does not represent the results of the survey which is negotiable, since no method is represented, or if the sampling is following statistical and quantitative keys of the population which is stressed for such issues. Reading the link you posted someone who has had in the past a credit in Quantitative Methods will conclude within seconds that the questions are nominal polytomous with a high level of self-selection bias. This results, Respondents may be motivated to give answers that present themselves in a favorable light. So its not a scientific survey but a ceteris paribus empirical interview of 59 randomly chosen, interviewed persons.
Even the fact that one out of 59 choose as an answer "Cyprus should be kicked out" shows the (ir)relevance of the sample of the population-target to this issue since Cyprus is a non member, thus complete irrelevant to the "survey". This means he didn't knew the basics of NATO structure but the same time he was asked if someone should be banned from NATO structures. (weird)
Scientifically this is not a survey. No doubt about it. And no one can change my mind upon this unless someone can prove that 1+1=11. It has no basis. Like many other “surveys” just written to fill media-gaps or to direct public opinion. Me as a scientist reject any of these attempts and thank God I have working brains to outsort trash from good works.
I don't share your claim that FP Magazine is that important.
It was not my intention to conclude that this article interviewed turks, since turkish opinion makers and diplomats know exactly and by far the importance of Greece within NATO (Esref Ugur Yigit cmder of the Turkish naval forces talking to TRT, or Yalcin Kavukcuoglu commander of the Aksaz Naval Base talking to the EUObserver after the share agreement between Turkish and Hellenic naval forces)
Now asking me, what I as a person believe about NATO, imo NATO is an alliance of wolfes like the USA, UK, Canada and lately (post-Libya) France who aim to assure the penetration of weak countries by their multinational companies and control major topics of economic life of these countries. Safety of the member-states ranks last.
NATO is a destabilizing factor who divides the world into the evil ones and to the good fellas. Remember anyone G Bush jr? “You are with us or with the enemy”Last edited by Zakynthian; 07-07-2012, 07:24 AM.From the Greeks of old whose dying
brought to life and spirit free
now with ancient valour rising
let us hail you, oh Liberty!
(Dionisios Solomos, Hymn to Liberty, 1823)
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After all, this nato stuff is sooooooooo boooooooring. There are 1000 better things to do then becomming stressfull because of NATO and its admirers. its good to get informed for everything but this shouldn't affect your daily life. Football and girls are by far more interesting.From the Greeks of old whose dying
brought to life and spirit free
now with ancient valour rising
let us hail you, oh Liberty!
(Dionisios Solomos, Hymn to Liberty, 1823)
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Originally posted by Zakynthian View PostAfter all, this nato stuff is sooooooooo boooooooring. There are 1000 better things to do then becomming stressfull because of NATO and its admirers. its good to get informed for everything but this shouldn't affect your daily life. Football and girls are by far more interesting.
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how about that fatso how many gg's are you i'm 120kg i need to lose some for health reasons.I love eating both greek & turkish foods especially kebabs .Seriously whil'st nato might be pissed off with greece they can't just get rid of members & that's all they need some of these nazi regimes to get in to start a war.One thing that has amazed me how many times we expect a sooner than later reaction from nato.
People are dying & no action is coming i wouldn't trust them with my life.Blind freddy can tell you that it's not the fucking name moreso greece doesnot want macedonia to expand & enter other spheres of influence that would be the last thing that it wan'ts .But what it wan'ts is a shot at the name with the usual rhetoric similar to the claim of the flag symbols is their claim that the name macedonia belongs solely to them.So they are bluffing macedonia to change their name to weaken macedonias hold on the name."Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
GOTSE DELCEV
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Originally posted by George S. View Posthow about that fatso how many gg's are you i'm 120kg i need to lose some for health reasons.I love eating both greek & turkish foods especially kebabs .From the Greeks of old whose dying
brought to life and spirit free
now with ancient valour rising
let us hail you, oh Liberty!
(Dionisios Solomos, Hymn to Liberty, 1823)
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5,8" i should be 74kg.When i was 80 kg i was flying &up & down stairs now i just get puffed up after a couple of stairs."Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
GOTSE DELCEV
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Originally posted by fatso View Post6' tall 6' wide.....I might be in Zankynthos...you can't miss me I will be in a speedoFrom the Greeks of old whose dying
brought to life and spirit free
now with ancient valour rising
let us hail you, oh Liberty!
(Dionisios Solomos, Hymn to Liberty, 1823)
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Originally posted by George S. View Post5,8" i should be 74kg.When i was 80 kg i was flying &up & down stairs now i just get puffed up after a couple of stairs.
try the parsley diet. eat everything without parsley!!!From the Greeks of old whose dying
brought to life and spirit free
now with ancient valour rising
let us hail you, oh Liberty!
(Dionisios Solomos, Hymn to Liberty, 1823)
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