Albanian Terrorism in Kumanovo

[Niko777]

There is no way there were 100,000 people at Gruevski's protest. Both protests had probably the same amount of people, with Zaev's protest being more diverse (Albanians, Turks, gay rights groups). Gruevski's protest probably had more people bused in from across the country whereas Zaev's protest attracted more locals. I found it disturbing how many Albanian and Turkish flags were at Zaev's protest and Serbian flags were present at Gruevski's rally.

[Gocka]

Everyone I talk to is saying the same thing, that it is disturbing how many Turkish and Albanian flags there were at Zaev's protest. I don't get it, why though?

After looking at many videos and photos, it does look like the pro Gruevski crowd is many times larger than that of Zaev's. It may not be the 90,000 people are saying but if Sundays were 20,000, then today's have to be least 60,000, and at least from what I can see there are mostly Macedonians flags unlike at Zaev's protest where not only were there so many Albanian and Turkish flags but there weren't many Macedonian flags at all, which was also the case at SDSM previous protests. If you take out the Turks and Albanians from Zaev's protest how many Macedonians were there really?

There is no way there were 100,000 people at Gruevski's protest. Both protests had probably the same amount of people, with Zaev's protest being more diverse (Albanians, Turks, gay rights groups). Gruevski's protest probably had more people bused in from across the country whereas Zaev's protest attracted more locals. I found it disturbing how many Albanian and Turkish flags were at Zaev's protest and Serbian flags were present at Gruevski's rally.

[Gocka]

I think there will be early elections again, Gruevski is just trying to reduce some of the political damage that has been done recently. I think there will be early elections and Gruevski will probably win again despite all negative press. Even though I think Gruevski is bad for Macedonia, I still think he as democratically elected despite opposition claims, and if the Macedonian public has elected him then no one has the right to topple him by force even if the masses are wrong for electing him.

[Niko777]

Everyone I talk to is saying the same thing, that it is disturbing how many Turkish and Albanian flags there were at Zaev's protest. I don't get it, why though?

It just shows you how broken Macedonian society is. They cannot all unite under one flag, every ethnic group feels the need to be represented under a (foreign) flag of their "mother" country. What's more sad is that the ventilator is seen by everyone as the flag representing the Macedonian nation.

[ramo]

I would like to give my observation why there were many albanian flags in sdsm protest.

First of all, both big Macedonian coalitions have turkish, serbian, and roma (gipsy) partners in their coalition. The albanian parties go on their own lists but they are going into government coalition after the parliament elections. Vmro did the protest without their albanian partner in government DUI. DUI brings the albanian votes in the government coalition. I think they did not participated in this vmro rally that's why there were no albanian flags in the crowd. The albanians on the sdsm lead rally i think support zaev, are strongly against dui (which is stronglu taking advantage of the albanians as vmro of the macedonians) and i think were not (publicly) with DPA (the smaller albanian party lead by Tachi).

For the protest today vmro had, i can write about the pressure, the listings of people that must be on the protest and are working in the administration, but it might be looking like conspiracy theories to most of you who do not live in Macedonia.

At least the Macedonians can become famous in the world by one invention. Kontra-protest (counter-protest) i think the only case in the world where protests are held against the opposition. Today they brought it on higher level. Counter-camping with tents in front of the assembly. It is like watching some tragic-comedy movie.

And one more thing. It is correct that no government should be brought down by force, but there are serious implications that the government is into massive criminal activities and there are no independent institutions that can start processing any of these cases. There are actual people with names, fired from their jobs that appeared on TV and told their stories. Those same people were subject in some of the wiretapped conversations and everything happened 100 percent as in the recordings.

The courts process cases only against opposition members involved in these wiretapped conversations (and this is not the biggest problem) which can be only one thing - dictatorship. Imagine pro-Obama TV stations to starts calling republican electors with names like, gays, dirty latinos, scumbags etc.

The opposition gave their view how this political crisis should be solved - Gruevski and Zaev to give resignations. And there is no answer to this proposal. I can't say they are honest about this but until vmro gives response there is no way we could find out.

[sydney]

The opposition gave their view how this political crisis should be solved - Gruevski and Zaev to give resignations. And there is no answer to this proposal. I can't say they are honest about this but until vmro gives response there is no way we could find out.

Gruevski has clearly stated he will not resign:

http://www.mkd.mk/makedonija/partii/gruevski-ne-davam-ostavka-nema-da-prifatam-preodna-vlada

[Dejan]

On another note.....

Did anyone notice how they are now claiming only 10 terrorists were killed, not 14? Apparently the other 4 may have been American/British.

If this is true, does this show that it may not have been a false flag by the ruling party? It may have been a genuine attack?

[Gocka]

I cant see a way out of this deadlock. Gruevski would probably win again if there were an early election. Through this whole ordeal both Zaev and Gruevski have both exposed each other as criminals, how can either of them be part of a so called "care taker" government when both should be i jail? In order for a transition of power to happen a third competent party must be involved, but none exists in Macedonia. Both Gruevski and Zaev are playing a dangerous game where the average Macedonian is always the loser. People may vote for Gruevski for all the wrong reasons, but they still vote, and in a democracy you have no other measure other than who gets the votes. Gruevski can never effectively and honestly be replaced as long as the majority of Macedonians vote for him.

The best thing that can happen is for SDSM to abandon Zaev Shekirinska and other collaborators and get people who are honest and competent to be the face of their party. Then when they can effectively win an election Gruevskis hold will be broken. Macedonia is crying out for an alternative to Gruevski, but Zaev and co will never be that.

[VMRO]

I cant see a way out of this deadlock. Gruevski would probably win again if there were an early election. Through this whole ordeal both Zaev and Gruevski have both exposed each other as criminals, how can either of them be part of a so called "care taker" government when both should be i jail? In order for a transition of power to happen a third competent party must be involved, but none exists in Macedonia. Both Gruevski and Zaev are playing a dangerous game where the average Macedonian is always the loser. People may vote for Gruevski for all the wrong reasons, but they still vote, and in a democracy you have no other measure other than who gets the votes. Gruevski can never effectively and honestly be replaced as long as the majority of Macedonians vote for him.

The best thing that can happen is for SDSM to abandon Zaev Shekirinska and other collaborators and get people who are honest and competent to be the face of their party. Then when they can effectively win an election Gruevskis hold will be broken. Macedonia is crying out for an alternative to Gruevski, but Zaev and co will never be that.

It's interesting how Zaev has voice recordings and Gruevski has Video recordings of wrongdoing.

For some reason i believe if there is an election Gruevski is sitting on even more damning video's of SDSM wrongdoing...

[Gocka]

I'm sure they both have much more dirt on each other. That only goes to show how corrupt both of them are that there seems to be an endless supply of things they can expose about each other. That's what makes the partisanship between Macedonians that much more idiotic.Supporters on both sides dismiss the oppositions claims as "propaganda" when it is painfully obvious that both of them should be behind bars. They are both hitting the self destruct button and in the long run neither can survive. What I don't agree with is SDSM supporters feeding into this western argument that Gruevski is a dictator, I know they are just playing politics but I don't think they fully understand that once you get that image out there, that we are a dictatorship, that there can be numerous consequences to the Macedonian people. I cant agree with the way SDSM are going about this, they are literally serving Macedonia on a platter to anyone who wants a piece. Like I said before, Gruevski is so weak right now, if they only showed the public a glimmer of hope that they are competent enough to be in power, I'm sure they would get elected in. As usual though they are in self destruct mode simply demanding that they be in power which is simply not good enough given their track record. They have a golden opportunity here, and they are going to piss it away because they are a bunch of whinny little bitches who jump up and down and point their finger and threaten to tell mommy and daddy unless you give in.

Then they wonder how Gruevski keeps winning elections. Dump Zaev, let him go to jail where he belongs, bring in someone intelligent and they will win the next election. Then pursue charges against Gruevski Mijalkov and Jankuloska.

It's interesting how Zaev has voice recordings and Gruevski has Video recordings of wrongdoing.

For some reason i believe if there is an election Gruevski is sitting on even more damning video's of SDSM wrongdoing...

[julie]

Ramo you are sounding like an SDMS official , and a mouthpiece for unbiased propaganda here
Reason I say this, is in some of your personal attacks.
And being an apologist for on what was supposedly a day of protest for Macedonia having multiple flags flown, I could not see the ventilator anywhere

You would think, on a day of protest, one would be heralding their national ventilator flag.

Same goes for VMRO, multiple Serbian flags - but no Albanian flags

Macedonia is burning, a pawn in a chess game between East and West, and facing further serious consequences if doesnt jump and acqueisce to externals.

One would think, if one was objective, that would be calling for cohesion - in interests of national security

I find it extremely disturbing that Kumanovo terrorist attack is being reported as an "inter ethnic conflict" and that Kumanovo is an ethnic Albanian town.....dont you ??

Kole Casule is a piece of work, writing in Reuters absolute vitriol

As long as we have Macedonians attacking fellow Macedonians, including diaspora by Macedonians in the Republic, we will continue to erode sovereignty

Cannot people see the hypocracy here ?
Macedonia, if she is to survive , must be united - she has no "friends" and people that think so are deluded - each neighbouring region stands to get some more free land, if people dont wake the fark up, and hold EVERY political party to scrutiny

[julie]

http://infomax.mk/wp/?p=30396

Interesting, facebook posts by the "gunmen" January and plans to overthrow DUI coalition govt unhappy with Ahmeti

[Volokin]

Skopje. Families of the terrorists arrested in the Macedonian town of Kumanovo will organise a protest in front of the government of Kosovo asking their relatives to be released from the arrest in Macedonia, Macedonian Dnevnik daily writes.
According to media in Pristina, the protest is scheduled to be held today at noon.
The relatives of the arrested claim that they fought for justice and the dignity of the Albanians. The protesters will also ask the institutions in Kosovo to take measures to protect the arrested people.

http://www.focus-fen.net/news/2015/05/20/372831/dnevnik-macedonia-protest-for-release-of-kumanovo-terrorists-to-be-staged-in-pristina.html

[julie]

http://english.republika.mk/dui-leader-ahmeti-there-is-no-reason-for-a-new-war

DUI Ahmeti states the terrorists were former KLA

[iceman]

Nedelkovski: There are Americans killed among Terrorists in Kumanovo

ICEMAN: Well , Well , Well.. and there we have it , Arancinovo 2001 revisited



Nedelkovski: There are Americans killed among Terrorists in Kumanovo
Monday, 18 May 2015

One of Macedonia's most famous journalists is Milenko Nedelkovski.
In an editorial published on his website on May 15th, he is asking himself one question, will Macedonia make it from the foreign initiated destabilization? The short answer says Nedelkovski, is a resounding Yes.

"The six horsemen of the apocalypse, the so called "western" ambassadors didn't wait a single day for us to even bury the Macedonian heroes, they rushed to meet with president Ivanov and Gruevski, to blackmail, to "insist", to request, to demand!!" writes Nedelkovski.

"The basic requests were layered like a baklava, you know, the usual suspects, judicial reforms, protection for whistleblowers (I assume the same protection US granted Manning and Snowden?), political dialog and similar cr*p, but the Real Request Was for the Courts Not to Release the Name of the British Ambassador as Directly Ordering the Coup" says Nedelkovski adding "Just as Important was to Hide the Names of 4 Americans and British Terrorists Killed in Kumanovo" The four came from the US Base in Kosovo, BondSteel.

"The US Ambassador Jess Bailey, nicknamed by Macedonian media as "Jess (Himmler) Bailey was instrumental in the failed coup attempt in Turkey where several civilians died during months old staged protests. There too the coup started with a fabricated wiretapping scandal." says Nedelkovski.

"Now Himmler was sent here to do the same" adds Nedelkovski.

Yesterday, the Macedonian Government lowered the count of 14 killed terrorists to 10, is it to hide the 4 American terrorists and their involvement?
Skopje based Dnevnik ran an editorial as well, of leaked information that 4 of the killed were neither from Kosovo, nor Macedonia or Albania, rather from "another nation".
Read Nedelkovski's column here //Marija Nikolovska