Republic of Macedonia's EU and NATO Strategies

[Kabadaja]

Spitfire.
I like to call my language Macedonian ;-).
Explain to me about Slavic culture, origin and influence?? You're the one that defined the term Slav above as being "a general term to describe language, culture, origin and influence not necessarily in that order".
You can start your explanation in any order that you want to get your rocks off on.

[Kabadaja]

I forgot... Of course there is a Macedonian minority in Grease. We even speak the same Macedonian language.. ;-)

[Amphipolis]

So, eventually the source of Rossos demographic estimations is this book (it also probably cannot be found on-line).

Kiselinovski, Grckata kolonizacija, pp. 15, 36,37

[spitfire]

Spitfire.
I like to call my language Macedonian ;-).

Your language is a slavic language no matter how it is called. ;-)

I forgot... Of course there is a Macedonian minority in Grease. We even speak the same Macedonian language.. ;-)

No. There are differences. However their idiom is slavic. ;-)

[George S.]

Our language is called macedonian and we are macedonians.
Categories: Languages with ISO 639-2 codeLanguages with ISO 639-1 codeMacedonian language1945 establishments in the Socialist Republic of MacedoniaAnalytic languagesLanguages

[George S.]

Following his repatriation in Greece in 1985, he became active in researching and studying the historical past, the ethnogenesis, the folklore and language of the Macedonian people in the Aegean part of Macedonia.So far, he has published the important works "Armensko, Florina Region - Struggles and Sacrifices;' in 1990, "Folkloristics" in 1994, etc. In the preface to the book "The Folklore in the Florina and Kastoria Region," the author, Pavlos Koufis, writes about the massive participation of the Macedonians in the Anti-Fascist and Civil War, in which they demonstrated massive heroism and made enormous sacrifices, stating that the Greek authorities had tried to uproot, convert and make them unknown, with the aim of obliterating their cultural identity, making them disappear."This work," the author says, "is an expression of the resistance of the Macedonians from that part of Macedonia against such efforts and attempts by the Greek regimes."
The book is divided into several parts: At the beginning, the author Pavlos Koufis makes a brief retrospective of the Macedonian language.In one of the first pages, he writes: "It is the inalienable prerogative of man, of every human being, to speak, write and be educated in his language.Uninterruptedly.""According to the official Greek terminology," the author says, the local Slav language is called a "Slav language idiom."The majority local population, on the other hand, speaking this language, says: "Our language is the Macedonian language."In continuation, he delves into the specificity, the accent of the Macedonian language, the grammar, etc. In regard to the emergence of the first Macedonian spelling-books and reading-books and the Macedonian schools in the Aegean part of Macedonia between the two wars and during World War II, the author introduces some new and very important information.Furthermore, the author emphasizes the staging of the play "Macedonian Bloody Wedding" in the Kastoria and Florina regions, in local Macedonian language.
Further into the book, he provides the original titles of books, magazine, editions and other publications in Macedonian language, in the Cyrillic alphabet, published in Eastern European countries.Thats right the people are considered as macedonian.But the greek govt insists they are slav macedonian how wrong are they.Also the greek govt says they don't exist.The author says they do.

[George S.]

Due to GREEK GOVT INTERFERENCE
Macedonian Slavic[edit]
The term "Macedonian Slavic" also includes variants such as "Macedonian Slav", "Slavic Macedonian", "(Slavic) Macedonian", "Macedonian (Slavonic)" etc. Macedonian Slavic (македонски словенски) is listed by Ethnologue as an alternative name for the Macedonian language,[10] along with simply "Slavic" (see section on Slavomacedonian below).As of 2004, Eurominority reports that the Council of Europe uses the term "Macedonian (Slavic)" to refer to the Macedonian language.[11]

In 'Can Threatened Languages be Saved?' (2000, ed. Joshua A. Fishman), Australian linguist Michael Clyne states that in 1994, the state government of Victoria 'bowed to pressure from Greek diplomatic representatives and sections of the Greek community' by declaring that the Macedonian language should be referred to as 'Macedonian (Slavonic)'; that in 1997, the ethnic Macedonian community appealed to the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission but that the appeal was unsuccessful; that in 1998, the community appealed to the Supreme Court and that the decision was overturned; and that the state government then made an appeal but that the verdict was affirmed in 2000.[12]

[George S.]

Once again GREEK GOVT INTERFERENCE IT doesn't like anyone to be MACEDONIAN.
Slavomacedonian[edit]
See also: Slavomacedonian
The term Slavomacedonian (Cyrillic script: славомакедонски, Greek: Σλαβομακεδονικά) was introduced in Greece in the 1940s. A native of Greek Macedonia, a pioneer of ethnic Macedonian schools in the region[citation needed] and local historian, Pavlos Koufis, says:[13]

[During its Panhellenic Meeting in September 1942, the KKE mentioned that it recognises the equality of the ethnic minorities in Greece] the KKE recognised that the Slavophone population was ethnic minority of Slavomacedonians. This was a term, which the inhabitants of the region accepted with relief. [Because] Slavomacedonians = Slavs+Macedonians. The first section of the term determined their origin and classified them in the great family of the Slav peoples.

Although acceptable in the past, current use of this name in reference to both the ethnic group and the language can be considered pejorative and offensive by ethnic Macedonians.[citation needed] The Greek Helsinki Monitor reports, My sentiments exactly.

... the term Slavomacedonian was introduced and was accepted by the community itself, which at the time had a much more widespread non-Greek Macedonian ethnic consciousness. Unfortunately, according to members of the community, this term was later used by the Greek authorities in a pejorative, discriminatory way; hence the reluctance if not hostility of modern-day Macedonians of Greece (i.e. people with a Macedonian national identity) to accept it.[14](forced by the greek govt)

The term was initially used by the EBLUL to refer to both the Slavophone minority of the Greek region of Macedonia, and the majority ethnic group of the Republic of Macedonia, the term was dropped by them after complaints by ethnic Macedonian organisations[which?] of the diaspora, but references to the Slavic people and Slavic minority were retained on the EBLUL website. Commenting on the name change, the Greek Helsinki Monitor said it hoped the decision would be shared by EBLUL with the Greek media and authorities:

...in the hope that, at long last, they respect the use of the name of the language (and the corresponding people) chosen by its users and unanimously accepted by the international scholarly and NGO community, as well as by many intergovernmental fora.[15]
HOw RIDICULOUS ONE CANT USE THEIR OWN LANGUAGE.THE GREEK GOVT IS A CONTINUATION OF FASCISM AND NAZISM.THANKS To people LIKE SPITFIRE.

[George S.]

Look what we got with the greek obstruction ,objecting to the use of the word macedonian.
FYRO Macedonian/Macedonian (FYROM)[edit]
The terms "FYRO Macedonian"[16] and "Macedonian (FYROM)"[17] have been used by the Microsoft corporation in its Windows software. In 2003, Metamorphosis, an NGO registered in the Republic of Macedonia reported that Mr. Goran Radman, General Manager of Microsoft Adriatics (the region including all ex-Yugoslav countries and Albania) explained that Microsoft would "correct the 'mistake' regarding its attitude towards the Macedonian identity", such as using constructs like 'FYRO Macedonian' instead of 'Macedonian' as the name of the language in its publications.[18] The report stated that this came about as the result of a deal between Microsoft and the government of the Republic of Macedonia. As of 2007, Microsoft only uses "Macedonian (FYROM)" as the name of the language in its then-current operating system, Windows Vista.[19]Isn't it ridiculous only a nazi govt would do it.

[George S.]

THis is what a supposedly learnered person refers to macedonian language.
Slavic dialect of the State of Skopje[edit]
This phrase was used in print by Nicholas P. Andriotis, professor of Linguistics at the University of Thessaloniki. Chapter VI of his book, 'The Federative Republic of Skopje and its Language' (Athens, 1966), is entitled "The impact of the Greek Language on the Slavic Dialect of the State of Skopje". His choice of descriptors for the language reflects Greek objections both to the use of the term 'Macedonian' to designate the language of the Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, and to the use of the term 'Macedonia' to designate the state.He is influence by govt dogma to write what he wrote.

[Momce Makedonce]

There is no macedonian minority in Greece.

There are people in modern day Northern Greece (Aegean Macedonia) that regard themselves as Macedonians by ethnicity, not Greek. Do you deny this?

A quick Youtube search can prove their existence.

Just because they are not recognised by your government, it doesn't mean they don`t exist.

[spitfire]

There are people in modern day Northern Greece (Aegean Macedonia) that regard themselves as Macedonians by ethnicity, not Greek. Do you deny this?

A quick Youtube search can prove their existence.

Just because they are not recognised by your government, it doesn't mean they don`t exist.

There are people in modern day Greece that claim to have been abducted by UFOs. I don't deny that either.
I do deny the existence of a macedonian minority in Greece.

Stop inflicting upon those people and their country. They don't want you in this. Respect that at least.
Not that you have any other alternative that is.

[Amphipolis]

It was during the balkan wars.I'm not going to give you the satisfaction of revealing who he is.I don't hink you have a right to know.You should respect the dead and let them live in peace.For all we know you might want to deny the attrocity.My gradmother doesn't want to give you his details.

I thought Balkan Wars were in the 1910s.

[Kabadaja]

Spitfire.
I'm still waiting for you to educate me on Slavic culture, origin..... Come on, surely it cannot be hard being such an opiniated and educated modern Grik troll and spammer.

The Macedonian minority in Greece are a Macedonian minority. You referred to Pavle Filipov's people and those types of people. What "kind of people" are they?

[spitfire]

Spitfire.
I'm still waiting for you to educate me on Slavic culture, origin..... Come on, surely it cannot be hard being such an opiniated and educated modern Grik troll and spammer.

The Macedonian minority in Greece are a Macedonian minority. You referred to Pavle Filipov's people and those types of people. What "kind of people" are they?

How many times does it take you to understand what I write? I already explained that many times.
The slav identifier is about all of that. Not necessarilly though for every one of those.
What is it you don't understand?
You know of course that I won't fall for such cheap trick. I am a very expensive whore for you boy. Go play with your schoolmates now. Or go solo.

There is no macedonian minority in greece no matter how you hit your arse to the ground.
Voskopoulos is greek. Ask his relatives, they 'll tell you. One of his relatives is an elected greek official, and he supports his greek identity.
Yeah, it hurts, I know... .

Here's some more political "specula" for you to play:
So what about the greek minority in your country? Any news?
You are so naive thinking that I am naive Kabadaja. I eat this for breakfast.