Republic of Macedonia's EU and NATO Strategies

[spitfire]

Spitfire, you quoted Makedonche in your post# 159.

Read it again, he said "you have to be born Macedonian"

You responded "So Eva Kaili is macedonian. Thanks."

!!!!! I don't understand... how did you come up with this?

Now in post# 169 you say "So how many generations of offsprings does that take?"

If I got onto a plain right now and gave birth to a child in China, you would consider that child Chinese?

So how many generations of offsprings being born in macedonian land does it take an offspring to be regarded macedonian?
Do we have a number?

You don't have an answer because these things are partly decided upon that. Of course from a nationalistic point of view, speciality is what is important. Therefore by substracting this and that we end up with a delusional purity. Along with the importance of feeling important and unique and so on.
And so you end up in a very common nationalistic trap very easily explained.

I've seen this everywhere happening. So don't feel bad. It's common.

[Amphipolis]

I would say most of the Original texts that were written in the illiad of the pelasgian language is similar to the macedonian. You are in denial if you say its just a handfull of words.

THe greeks of the time DID NOT UNDERSTAND PELASGIAN AT ALL THATS WHY IT TOOK THEM A COUPLE OF HUNDRED YEARS TO DECIPHER THEM.

Secondly, where are those pelasgian texts? Real scholars have access to them all the time.

Thirdly, those videos are based on greek texts. Rubbish why would they based on greek texts.

THe language it was written was similar to the macedonian.(like all languages in the area)

Look at the way the greeks have tried to steal the homeric texts by translating them in greek

I found out that we could understand the ILLIAD by using today's macedonian 50 years ago at school.

I know also for a fact that PELASGIAN was a SINILAR LANGUAGE to the MACEDONIAN.

The original texts must be available.

These are scary signs of insanity.

[Redsun]

Spitfire, you quoted Makedonche in your post# 159.

Read it again, he said "you have to be born Macedonian"

You responded "So Eva Kaili is macedonian. Thanks."

!!!!! I don't understand... how did you come up with this?

Now in post# 169 you say "So how many generations of offsprings does that take?"

If I got onto a plain right now and gave birth to a child in China, you would consider that child Chinese?

[spitfire]

Spitfire

I said she had to be born Macedonian, not because of her birth in Macedonia..there is a difference......

So how do you define this exactly? Through your forefathers right? So how many generations of offsprings does that take?

Actually you are in a nationalistic trap and I'm just exposing this. Please keep doing that, because you are making it very easy.

[makedonche]

Spitfire

Makedonche my friend it's you who said that she is macedonian because of her birth in macedonia.

There you go again misquoting
I said she had to be born Macedonian, not because of her birth in Macedonia..there is a difference......that's how we know none of you pretenders are Macedonian!

Also, I hate to spoil it for you, macedonia is not recognized internationally under that name, but bilaterally.

It would only be spoiling it for me if I gave a shit about anybody else's interpretation of who I am....particularly 'you know who'.....hint-platesmashing! I know who and what I am I don't need anybody to tell me or classify me- I found out though my parents and their parents told them, just because they didn't go and register it with the EU doesn't mean it isn't so! You and your kin on the other hand are reliant on the rest of the world to confirm and sustain who you are....they even sent a German Prince to rule you, an English paedophile to create your history for you and the EU to fund this comical farce!

So we go back to the original question. If it's not the birth that constitues a macedonian identity, then how many generations of offsprings does it take.

Are you going to answer or what? Or are you going to search for the answer in the pelasgian texts?

We've had this talk already, your question was answered, it's just that you don't understand the answer! Go back over the thread and take particular note of that part about doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result! The pelasgian texts? what would you expect me to find there? obviously something you want to hang your hat on, so save us both the waste of time and energy and just quote it!

[spitfire]

Makedonche my friend it's you who said that she is macedonian because of her birth in macedonia.
Also, I hate to spoil it for you, macedonia is not recognized internationally under that name, but bilaterally.

So we go back to the original question. If it's not the birth that constitues a macedonian identity, then how many generations of offsprings does it take.

Are you going to answer or what? Or are you going to search for the answer in the pelasgian texts?

[makedonche]

At last. So Eva Kaili is macedonian. Thanks.

Spitfire

A quote from Wiki....good source if you're Greek.......

Eva’s father, Alexandros Kailis, is an Istanbul-born mechanical and electrical engineer. Her mother, Maria Ignatiadou, of Asia Minor Greek descent, grew up in Imathia. Eva has a younger sister, Mantalena, who is a lawyer.

And you're trying to convince me she is Macedonian.....hahahahahahaha...I needed a good laugh today!
And she doesn't know what type of Macedonian she should call herself if the Republic of Macedonia is officially/geographically/internationally is known as the Republic of Macedonia.......I can see where you get your dillusionality from! She need not worry about what to call herself, she has absolutely no claim or hint of a reason to even consider herself anything remotely concerned with Macedonia or Macedonians.....Fu$#in Gypsy!

[Nikolaj]

I was born in Jamaica, it's only 9,500 km away from Greece. My Jamaican parents gave me a Greek name and call me Macedonian, so I am in fact Macedonian!

[makedonche]

Spitfire

At last. So Eva Kaili is macedonian. Thanks.

Hahaha......you Greeks are amusing as well as dillusional....yeah,yeah,yeah she's Macedonian, sure sure sure!!!
Always trying to be something you're not, by the way Barrack Obama is also Macedonian if we apply your standards!

[spitfire]

Spitfire

What secret? when did I say it's a secret? The question is answered- it's not about kilos, litres, drachmas, numbers or amounts...you have to be born Macedonian......

At last. So Eva Kaili is macedonian. Thanks.

[makedonche]

Spitfire

No, your reading is not perfect or fine, because I asked you something and you said that it's a secret, like they do in the cosa nostra, aka mafia.
I didn't write anything about the cosa nostra being greek. It's your imagination that did that.

Here we go again....more dillusions and denial! Evidence of my reading is right in front of you, which you keep trying to deny.....that's ok, it's another one of fine Greek examples of opinions....you know the one, where a parallel is drawn between opinons and arseholes....if you're having trouble with this let me know, I'll draw it for you in crayon with nice colours!
What secret? when did I say it's a secret? The question is answered- it's not about kilos, litres, drachmas, numbers or amounts...you have to be born Macedonian......I knew you were going to have difficulty with this one it's obviously a foreign concept to some one who comes from a place that accepts you as Greek if "you feel Greek"
This cosa nostra garbage is your doing, you introduced it as some sort of relevance to Greeks being associated with Italians...now feel free to dispose of it just as it was introduced!
P.S. the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.........bit like taking something forcefully and claiming it's yours...claiming it's yours.....claiming it's yours.....

It is obvious that you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

You raise this garbage as some sort of substantiation to your historical existence and you have the nerve to say I don't know what I'm talking about? Now I see one of the problems with the Greek education system.....lack of comprehension!(more denial)

No, Grekani is the people that speak griko or grekanika which is an idiom of greek and italian mixed words or words that have origintated from greek and italian, that some villages in the south of italy use. The area where magna grecia was in the past.
Tarantismo is related culturally to that.
There is a unique culture in that area.

Congratulations, I hope you're all happy together!.............sort of conflicts with the Greek myth of 4,000 years of continuity!

No it is not answered because you did not provide the number of generations you so willingfully adopted in the conversation.

Refer above........particularly the part about expecting a different result!

Here's the most popular gkrekani song. And with that, I wish you the title of the song, because there is no point in speaking to someone who is sleeping.

That's very nice....contributes well to your 4,000 year old myth!
As for sleeping, it's a bit like denial, off you go into dreamland, where you and your kin spend most of their time judging by your remarks!

[spitfire]

Spitfire



Yes my reading is perfectly fine...probably advanced, I also get the between the lines stuff too! Cosa Nostra Greek Myth.....similar to all Greek myths...the stuff of illusions! Where do you get mafia thing between padrones from?......oh that's right, the land of myths where anything can just be created, stolen or modified to suit!

No, your reading is not perfect or fine, because I asked you something and you said that it's a secret, like they do in the cosa nostra, aka mafia.
I didn't write anything about the cosa nostra being greek. It's your imagination that did that.

A couple of things...cosa nostra, italian songs you mentioned, your previous Roman masters...etc.

It is obvious that you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

Which myth are we talking about now?


tarantismo :-"a nervous disorder characterized by an uncontrollable impulse to dance; popularly attributed to bite of the southern European tarantula or wolf spider"
Grekani :- A town/Village in Albania....!

No, Grekani is the people that speak griko or grekanika which is an idiom of greek and italian mixed words or words that have origintated from greek and italian, that some villages in the south of italy use. The area where magna grecia was in the past.
Tarantismo is related culturally to that.
There is a unique culture in that area.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgyTRfxOrtU

The question is answered, you just don't get it. To be Greek you only have to feel Greek or become Greek Orthodox or denounce everything else..fairly easy. You don't become Macedonian...it's how you're born and you don't need anyone to tell you who or what you are....they can say all they like and pretend all they like about being Macedonian or part Macedonian or from a part of Macedonia...they don't qualify and never will.

No it is not answered because you did not provide the number of generations you so willingfully adopted in the conversation.


Here's the most popular gkrekani song. And with that, I wish you the title of the song, because there is no point in speaking to someone who is sleeping.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01yzJSO_Mhk

[makedonche]

Spitfire

What cosa nostra greek myth? Are you able to read makedonche? I asked you a question and instead you answered that this is a... mafia thing between the padrones

Yes my reading is perfectly fine...probably advanced, I also get the between the lines stuff too! Cosa Nostra Greek Myth.....similar to all Greek myths...the stuff of illusions! Where do you get mafia thing between padrones from?......oh that's right, the land of myths where anything can just be created, stolen or modified to suit!

And that brought to mind Italy.

A couple of things...cosa nostra, italian songs you mentioned, your previous Roman masters...etc.

Are you aware of magna grecia?

Which myth are we talking about now?

Do you know what tarantismo is? Do you know what Grekani mean?

tarantismo :-"a nervous disorder characterized by an uncontrollable impulse to dance; popularly attributed to bite of the southern European tarantula or wolf spider"
Grekani :- A town/Village in Albania....!

So, you macedonians define it through your forefathers. But this doesn't answer my question. How many generations does it take for you?

The question is answered, you just don't get it. To be Greek you only have to feel Greek or become Greek Orthodox or denounce everything else..fairly easy. You don't become Macedonian...it's how you're born and you don't need anyone to tell you who or what you are....they can say all they like and pretend all they like about being Macedonian or part Macedonian or from a part of Macedonia...they don't qualify and never will.

[spitfire]

Thew originaltexts must be available.

Yes, please notify me when there are any.

[spitfire]

What cosa nostra greek myth? Are you able to read makedonche? I asked you a question and instead you answered that this is a... mafia thing between the padrones
And that brought to mind Italy.
What did you exactly not understand when I spoke about songs from areas of Italy?
Are you aware of magna grecia?
Do you know what tarantismo is? Do you know what Grekani mean?
So, you macedonians define it through your forefathers. But this doesn't answer my question. How many generations does it take for you?