Monument of DAG fighters in Katlanovska Banja

[lavce pelagonski]

Ќе се открива споменик на борците на ДАГ во Катлановска бања, обезбеден и бесплатен превоз


Во организација на Сојузот на Македонците од Егејот и Светскиот Македонски Конгрес, на 15 март 2014 година (сабота) на влезот на Катлановска бања, со почеток во 11 часот, ќе биде откриен Споменик на ранетите и починатите Македонци и Грци - борци на Демократската армија на Грција (ДАГ) во Граѓанската војна во Грција 1946-1949 година, лекувани во Болницата во Катлановска бања 1947-1948 година.

Натписот на Споменикот е на македонски, англиски и грчки јазик.

Во 11.00 часот ќе се одржи панихида, по неа предвидени се пригодни обраќања, полагање свежо цвеќе на Споменикот, и културно-уметничка програма со учениците од Музичко - балетскиот училишен центар “Илија Николовски - Луј“ од Скопје со песни и носии од Егејот.

Споменикот ќе остане траен паметник за местото каде се лекувани ранетите и починатите Македонци и Грци борци на Демократската Армија на Грција во Граѓанската војна во Грција 1946-1949 година, и ќе претставува сведоштво за помошта која Македонија им ја даваше на антифашистите и борците за слобода.

Овој Споменик е прилог кон историско македонско-грчко помирување и Договор за траен мир и добрососедство меѓу Македонија и Грција.

“Овој Споменик е траен помен за заедничката борба на Македонците и Грците против фашизмот во Европа. Длабоко веруваме дека еден ден, сите Македонци во Грција и прогонетите Македонци од Грција, ќе ги добијат своите права и слободи“, се вели во соопштението.

Организаторите обезбедија бесплатен автобуски превоз за сите заинтересирани. Автобусите на Градскиот сообраќаен превоз од Новата железничка станица во Скопје за Катлановска бања поаѓаат во 9 часот. Еден автобус поаѓа од Драчево кај амбулантата и еден автобус од Бутел пред општината. Автобусите ќе се вратат во градот во 15 часот.

http://www.dnevnik.mk/default.asp?ItemID=18B0348F0ABF6E44B62C20A6718CA673

I dont know how to feel about this. I guess it shows that we are human, lets hope it is received well on the other side.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Lavce, post the translation to Macedonian articles in future so more people can read and understand.

Will reveal a monument to veterans of DAG in Katlanovska bathroom provided free transportation

Organized by the Association of Macedonians from Aegean Macedonian World Congress on March 15, 2014 (Saturday) at the entrance of Katlanovska bath, starting at 11 am, will be unveiled monument to the dead and wounded Macedonians and Greeks - fighters of the Democratic Army Greece (DSE) in the Civil War in Greece, 1946-1949, treated in hospital in the year 1947 to 1948 Katlanovska bathroom.

The inscription on the monument in Macedonian, English and Greek.

11:00 am memorial service will be held, followed by speeches are planned, taking flowers to the monument, and cultural performances by students of Music - Ballet School Center "Ilija Nikoloviski -" Skopje with songs and costumes of the Aegean.

The monument will remain a lasting monument to the place where the wounded were treated and deceased Macedonian and Greek fighters of the Democratic Army of Greece in the Civil War in Greece 1946-1949 year, and is a testament to aid Macedonia gives the anti-fascists and freedom fighters.

This monument is attached to the historic Macedonian-Greek reconciliation and lasting peace agreement and good neighborly relations between Macedonia and Greece.

"This monument is a lasting memorial to the common struggle of the Macedonians and Greeks against fascism in Europe. I strongly believe that one day, all Macedonians in Greece and exiled Macedonians from Greece, will receive their rights and freedoms, "the statement said.

The organizers provided free bus transportation for all interested. Buses to the city transport traffic from the new railway station in Skopje Katlanovska bath depart at 9 am. A bus starts from Dračevo the ambulance and a bus in front of Butel municipality. Buses will return to the city in 15 hours.

I also have some mixed feelings about this.

[Vangelovski]

Where's Katlanovska Banja?

[George S.]

too good to be true.The hand of friendship.They still refer to us as skopje.definitely feel the greeks as usual are up to no good.What are we signing in fyrom name & the entilator will be there of course how silly do you have to be to swallow that?
Katlanovska Banja, Petrovec, Macedonia

[Niko777]

[Sweet Sixteen]

I dont know how to feel about this. I guess it shows that we are human, lets hope it is received well on the other side.

I also have some mixed feelings about this.

Speaking from the other side, I don't really understand what you're saying. How is this an act of reconciliation? How is this related to Greece? Or why do you have mixed feelings?

By the way, Democratic Army of Greece (DSE) did not exactly fight "against fascism in Europe". DSE was the military fraction of Communist Party of Greece (KKE), founded after the war (in 1946) that attempted to seize power in Greece.

[Soldier of Macedon]

......why do you have mixed feelings?

Because on the one hand I have respect for those good Greeks that supported the Macedonians in their quest for self-determination and their own state, but on the other hand I don't agree with the later change in KKE policy concerning Macedonians towards the end of the war. I also find it hard to accept Macedonians today reaching out to Greece for reconciliation when it should be the other way around.

By the way, Democratic Army of Greece (DSE) did not exactly fight "against fascism in Europe". DSE was the military fraction of Communist Party of Greece (KKE), founded after the war (in 1946) that attempted to seize power in Greece.

Its partisan members fought against fascists in Europe both prior to and after its formation. Unless you consider Greece outside of Europe.

[Sweet Sixteen]

Because on the one hand I have respect for those good Greeks that supported the Macedonians in their quest for self-determination and their own state, but on the other hand I don't agree with the later change in KKE policy concerning Macedonians towards the end of the war. I also find it hard to accept Macedonians today reaching out to Greece for reconciliation when it should be the other way around.

Which policy change was that? The Tito-Stalin split? As I said this is a reasonable honour that doesn't include reconciliation, controversy or reaching out.
These Greek fighters were (partly) trained, armed, harboured and (when wounded) treated in Yugoslavia.

Its partisan members fought against fascists in Europe both prior to and after its formation. Unless you consider Greece outside of Europe.

Well the monument does not refer to the Resistance Organizations (ELAS-EAM-EPON) and the days of Occupation, but to the Civil War and DSE. DSE did not fight against fascism, but it's fair to say that they fought FOR communism and against a democratic state.

KKE was a strong LEGAL political party (it's unclear how strong it was, probably as strong as the Italian Communist Party in the post-war period), yet they decided to boycott the 1946 elections in a greedy attempt to seize full power. After the mid 50s, Stalin’s death and Zachariades’ replacement they admitted it was a huge mistake, but that was too late.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Which policy change was that?

The change which went from a free Macedonian state to a recognised Macedonian minority in a Greek state.

As I said this is a reasonable honour that doesn't include reconciliation, controversy or reaching out.

First, you never said half of what you claim above. Second, read the original article again. That aside, the reasons why it is perceived as being possibly controversial to some has already been explained to you.

DSE did not fight against fascism, but it's fair to say that they fought FOR communism and against a democratic state.

Its Macedonian members at least, fought against Greek fascists of whatever political persuasion. This is a matter of fact for my people, because those they fought against proved themselves to be fascist animals towards them time and again, both during and after the war. Unless you intend to provide something constructive in your next post, I suggest you move on, because denying the truth of our suffering will not be tolerated by deluded individuals like yourself who deliberately blind themselves to the evil their government and associated lackeys have inflicted upon others.

[Sweet Sixteen]

The change which went from a free Macedonian state to a recognised Macedonian minority in a Greek state.

This happened in 1935, not at the end of war.

Its Macedonian members at least, fought against Greek fascists of whatever political persuasion. This is a matter of fact for my people, because those they fought against proved themselves to be fascist animals towards them time and again, both during and after the war. Unless you intend to provide something constructive in your next post, I suggest you move on, because denying the truth of our suffering will not be tolerated by deluded individuals like yourself who deliberately blind themselves to the evil their government and associated lackeys have inflicted upon others.

Here’s something constructive. KKE’s position and half-truths even before 1935, in 1931. It says
“We’ll fight for the independence of the Macedonian people, and by independence we mean even separation, but when we’ll have a Soviet state (they mean a communist state) there will be no reason for separation.”

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[Soldier of Macedon]

This happened in 1935, not at the end of war........KKE’s position and half-truths even before 1935, in 1931. It says “We’ll fight for the independence of the Macedonian people, and by independence we mean even separation, but when we’ll have a Soviet state (they mean a communist state) there will be no reason for separation.”

There does appear to be some ambiguity about that, because during the war Nikos Zachariadis stated that "the Macedonian people will acquire an independent, united state with a coequal position within the family of free peoples’ republics within the Balkans, within the family of Peoples’ Republics to which the Greek people will belong. The Macedonian people are today fighting for this independent united state with a coequal position and is helping the DSE with all its soul....". According to Επίσημα Κείμενα ΚΚΕ, vol. 6, it was only during the 6th Congress of the KKE Central Committee where it was clearly stated that the aim was for a common future for Greeks and Macedonians under the same state. In any case, it comes as no surprise that most groups purporting to be helping Macedonians were selling half-truths and sending conflicting messages. But then most Macedonians only saw such groups and their ideologies, like communism for example, as vehicles to be used with the aim of obtaining their own freedom.