I thought this was an interesting discussion on Putin's invasion of Ukraine. The guy in the video, Konstantin Kisin, touches on a number of points here including the fact that many on the right did not expect Putin to actually invade Ukraine (myself included) and were left a little stunned by what's transpired over the last couple of days. He also touches on the issue of Ukrainian nationhood and whether it is a construct of old soviet-era times, as Putin has declared, or a legitimate nation in its own right. I mentioned this in an earlier post on this thread, while approaching it from a completely uninformed and ignorant position, and it seems there are more and more videos popping up discussing this very issue. From a Macedonian point of view, where our own identity has bee denied in the past and is constantly still being denied today by our neighbours, far be it for me to question Ukrainian nationhood but there seems to be a growing number of videos actually discussing this very topic. It's hard to believe anything that's being said at the moment (if I'm being honest) but, by the sounds of it, Putin will not be satisfied with just the Crimean peninsular and the eastern bits of Ukraine but all of Ukraine. Some are saying that the two most likely scenarios are: i) A division of Ukraine straight down the middle or; ii) A complete annexation of Ukraine by Russia. They aren't even talking about the possibility of Ukraine retaining some kind of sovereignty with the majority of its territory intact.
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Nothing is real!Risto the Great
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Доста бе Вегето една, во секоја манџа се мешаш
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Originally posted by KarposhIt's hard to believe anything that's being said at the moment (if I'm being honest) but, by the sounds of it, Putin will not be satisfied with just the Crimean peninsular and the eastern bits of Ukraine but all of Ukraine. Some are saying that the two most likely scenarios are: i) A division of Ukraine straight down the middle or; ii) A complete annexation of Ukraine by Russia. They aren't even talking about the possibility of Ukraine retaining some kind of sovereignty with the majority of its territory intact.
He also touches on the issue of Ukrainian nationhood and whether it is a construct of old soviet-era times, as Putin has declared, or a legitimate nation in its own right. I mentioned this in an earlier post on this thread, while approaching it from a completely uninformed and ignorant position, and it seems there are more and more videos popping up discussing this very issue. From a Macedonian point of view, where our own identity has bee denied in the past and is constantly still being denied today by our neighbours, far be it for me to question Ukrainian nationhood but there seems to be a growing number of videos actually discussing this very topic.
Originally posted by Liberator of MakedonijaBecoming quite clear where Bulgaria inherited her denialism from....In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostThe Rus identity came from a Scandinavian tribe that conquered parts of European Russia and Ukraine (and Belarus) centuries ago. Following the Mongol invasion, the people in those territories lived through different experiences for substantial periods. Although most remained Orthodox Christian and used similar ethnonyms derived from their former Scandinavian overlords, the separation and varied influences meant that their languages diverged from each other. The region that would later become Ukraine was contested by various powers, until much of it became part of the Russian Empire, followed by the USSR. Putin may try to argue that Ukrainian statehood was a soviet project or that soviet authorities nurtured a Ukrainian identity as a counter-balance to Russian nationalism, but irrespective of what they called themselves, he cannot argue against the unique commonalities shared by many Ukrainians, as evidenced by their language and history. Thus, while the Ukrainian identity may be relatively new, the sense of a distinct community in Ukraine was not without foundation. Those commonalities, however, were not shared by all the people of Ukraine, many of whom spoke Russian and identified with Russian history. Therein lies the biggest problem. Nevertheless, the condescending attitude towards Ukrainian nationhood by Putin is counterproductive, does not foster solidarity and is certain to breed more resentment, particularly in the west of Ukraine. It is also a politically irrelevant argument that should not have featured as part of his justification for Russia’s military activities in Ukraine. He should have limited his comments on this matter to their common heritage, but instead he denigrated the Ukrainian identity and in doing so, unnecessarily opened himself up to criticisms that detract from his more valid arguments. He needs to cut his losses on this issue, as many Ukrainians will never feel an affinity for Russia again, let alone feel part of the Russian nation. Unfortunately, Ukrainian nationalism has also been tainted by Nazi sympathisers, which, given the history, enables Putin, right or wrong, to claim "denazification" as one of his goals.
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Originally posted by kompir View PostGlenn Greenwald's take on the relentless propaganda fest from the MSM and Uncle Sucker:
https://greenwald.substack.com/p/war...raine-becoming
So much absolute BS on so many levels that it's hard to find a place to start in unravelling the disinformation shit-storm, but one certainty is that the Americans are fucking idiots and have totally fucked this up in the most amateurish fashion imaginable.
I just want the MSM to run ONE honest story and just report that the US has pushed Ukraine into a corner by promising them NATO membership against Russia's geopolitical interests, they pushed and pushed the Russian's to this point and now the US has walked away from any real obligation to protect Ukraine.
All we get from the US is some piss weak cheerleading from the sidelines but no significant military aid, no biting sanctions against the Russians and the European NATO members are even more impotent, they haven't said shit and are doing shit.
And yet the MSM keep playing this up as the world uniting to help Ukraine against the Russians, where the reality is that Zelenskyy is begging for international help, he's been forced to hand weapons to anybody willing to fight, encouraging people to make molotov cocktails as if any of that is going to stop battle hardened troops that cut their teeth in the Chechen and Syrian bloodbaths.
Go USA - keep pouring your Russian vodka down the sink, that will show them...
If the UK, Germany, Japan or Russia had the arsenal that the USA has anyone of them would rule the entire world for a thousand years but the yanks keeps shooting themselves in the foot.
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Originally posted by Risto the Great View PostNothing is real!
Someone that has been paying attention to the 'conflict' said he understood it was a fraud because of the bizarre and contradictory statements made by the actors in this game.
I too decided it was a fraud based on what I had seen up to Thursday.
This is what I had seen up to that point:
Some time ago Macron saying how bad and serious the situation was and barely holding back laughter. I have been told he did this on a second occasion.
A few days before the invasion - a woman rushing to the car as if in danger and the man she is with, on the phone and cool as a cucumber, with all the time in the world. Everyone else going about their lives as normal.
An Aussie reporter on the scene swearing away as missile are around saying 'better get inside'. - Is that because missiles cannot penetrate buildings or are unlikely to be the target?
A supposed fire caused by a hit of some sort and the person's phone moving around nowhere and not focussing on the scene.
Also, I watched a live broadcast from the UK, the focus at the time was smoke in a building. This is what was happening:
A fireman supposedly putting out a fire deliberately not hitting the source but aiming the hose below the floor level of the billowing smoke.
No window coverings on any of the windows
A piece of fabric coming out of one window about twice the length of a storey - was that supposed to be a curtain?
mangled balustrading on the two blocks of apartments – incomprehensible
inside the rooms there was unpainted plasterboard - the joins and nail marks having been plastered, were visible.
the apartment building appeared vacant.
some people walking around at ground level 'boo hooing' – seriously better and more actors required for a performance such as this.
Back in Aus – the PM making an announcement on the situation jumping upwards now and again – he seemed excited
a guy fighting a war and wearing a surgical mask
The Ukraine president was/is an actor/comedian (apparently) – say no more.
It would be funny to watch the B grade performance if no-one got hurt or died but that is impossible.
Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostThen he positioned his missiles in populated urban centres.
It was suggested to me that they may be getting rid of old infrastructure to make way for new. I heard Catherine Austin Fitts talk about this in relation to the BLM campaigns that destroyed infrastructure in strategic locations in the US. She called it disaster capitalism. It was related to smart cities and locations of Federal Reserve Banks. You know 'build back better'. Ae so zdrae!
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Volodymyr Zelensky Voiced Paddington Bear, Won Dancing With the Stars: Videos Of Ukrainian President Go Viral Amid Invasion
Козаки | Пороблено в Украине, пародия 2014 Translation: Cossacks | Made in Ukraine, parody 2014
Вечерний Киев.Рубрика "Пороблено в Україні", пародия "Козаки"НАШ САЙТ: http://kvartal95.com/FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/kvartal95GOOGLE+: https://plus...
Wow! Just wow!
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Originally posted by Karposh View PostExcellent historical summary and assessment of the current situation SoM. I appreciate the effort in putting all that together. I agree completely with everything you said especially with Putin's unnecessary denigration of Ukrainian identity. There was absolutely no need for that. Like you said, Ukrainians will never again have an affinity for the Russians after all of this is over. He should have just stuck to his original and very valid concerns regarding NATO's belligerent eastward expansion despite promises that they wouldn't do that.
Originally posted by Dove View PostSure, why not do that. Maybe he even marked out the areas with survey pegs and florescent paint to make sure they 'bombed' the right spots. It was suggested to me that they may be getting rid of old infrastructure to make way for new.
Originally posted by Phoenix View PostAnd yet the MSM keep playing this up as the world uniting to help Ukraine against the Russians, where the reality is that Zelenskyy is begging for international help, he's been forced to hand weapons to anybody willing to fight, encouraging people to make molotov cocktails as if any of that is going to stop battle hardened troops that cut their teeth in the Chechen and Syrian bloodbaths.In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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USA has always been altruistic at heart.
But then this:
This is why Ukraine matters.
It is the second-largest country by area in Europe by area and has a population of over 40 million.
Ukraine ranks:
1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores;
2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in terms of titanium ore reserves;
2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores (2.3 billion tons, or 12% of the world's reserves);
2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons);
2nd place in Europe in terms of mercury ore reserves;
3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in shale gas reserves (22 trillion cubic meters)
4th in the world by the total value of natural resources;
7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons)
Ukraine is an important agricultural country:
1st in Europe in terms of arable land area;
3rd place in the world by the area of black soil (25% of world's volume);
1st place in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil;
2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley exports;
3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world;
4th largest producer of potatoes in the world;
5th largest rye producer in the world;
5th place in the world in bee production (75,000 tons);
8th place in the world in wheat exports;
9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs;
16th place in the world in cheese exports.
Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people.
Ukraine is an important industrialized country:
1st in Europe in ammonia production;
Europe's 2nd’s and the world’s 4th largest natural gas pipeline system;
3rd largest in Europe and 8th largest in the world in terms of installed capacity of nuclear power plants;
3rd place in Europe and 11th in the world in terms of rail network length (21,700 km);
3rd place in the world (after the U.S. and France) in production of locators and locating equipment;
3rd largest iron exporter in the world
4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world;
4th world's largest manufacturer of rocket launchers;
4th place in the world in clay exports
4th place in the world in titanium exports
8th place in the world in exports of ores and concentrates;
9th place in the world in exports of defense industry products;
10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons).
.... In contrast, I imagine whatever is happening in Burundi or Somalia somehow manages to escape the opportunistic interventionist version of altruism that the USA spreads.Risto the Great
MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
"Holding my breath for the revolution."
Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com
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