Ex-UCK commander is the new Macedonian defense minister

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  • DedoAleko
    Member
    • Jun 2009
    • 969

    #16

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    • TrueMacedonian
      Banned
      • Jan 2009
      • 3823

      #17
      Originally posted by RedAndYellowBlood View Post
      I have heard a few people say Gruevski is no good for us but I never asked why!
      Any care to fill me in?
      Page 1 of this topic should answer your question.

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      • Niko777
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2010
        • 1895

        #18
        I just can't believe the level of propaganda that Gruevski's party is spreading in the diaspora, people see him as a savior...

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        • Gocka
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2012
          • 2306

          #19
          Originally posted by Niko777 View Post
          I just can't believe the level of propaganda that Gruevski's party is spreading in the diaspora, people see him as a savior...
          He is pulling a classical move. Pull at the nationalist strings with rhetoric. Exert more influence in the media to bring attention to what makes you look good and not bad. Blind the average person with empty promises and use favorable media to persuade those who don't look closely enough.

          Its been done around the globe over and over it maybe new to Macedonia but its an old ploy so maybe that's why its working so well.

          As always it will eventually fail, it always does but the question is how much irreparable damage will be done before it does fail.

          Who knows maybe this time will be different?

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          • Dimko-piperkata
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 1876

            #20
            I dont think that gruevski is corrupt and I also dont think that some "side" has pressured him to nominate a uck terrorist BUT what I think is, that some "side" has offered him this decision and maybe this "side" gave him a positive pledge on entering EU, NATO under constitutional name...

            I think grujo was very well aware of the shitstorms but lets see whats will happen in the near future....

            sure, putting an ex enemy uck albanian pig who is responsible for the dead of ethnic macedonians in the war in 2001, as chief commander of defence is such a disgrace to every ethnic macedonian !

            but all eyes will be on him and his decisions...lets see whats will happen.
            1) Macedonians belong to the "older" Mediterranean substratum...
            2) Macedonians are not related with geographically close Greeks, who do not belong to the "older" Mediterranenan substratum...

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            • Gocka
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2012
              • 2306

              #21
              Originally posted by Dimko-piperkata View Post
              I dont think that gruevski is corrupt and I also dont think that some "side" has pressured him to nominate a uck terrorist BUT what I think is, that some "side" has offered him this decision and maybe this "side" gave him a positive pledge on entering EU, NATO under constitutional name...

              I think grujo was very well aware of the shitstorms but lets see whats will happen in the near future....

              sure, putting an ex enemy uck albanian pig who is responsible for the dead of ethnic macedonians in the war in 2001, as chief commander of defence is such a disgrace to every ethnic macedonian !

              but all eyes will be on him and his decisions...lets see whats will happen.
              Dedo,

              So in a nutshell your theory is,

              That Gruevski was offered a choice by the USA and EU that if he plays ball and puts terrorists in important government positions that they will admit us into the EU and NATO int he near future? Or did I misunderstand you?

              Let me throw something out there for your to ponder. No one does anything for no reason right? Lets say that Grujo is just playing ball to get us into NATO and the EU. If that is the case then shouldn't someone ask why NATO, EU, or USA would want albanian terrorists to be a part of our government? There are thousands of albanians in ROM if it is really the west wish to appoint an albanian then why is it always someone with a terrorist past? If the west just wanted an albanian then again why did Grujo allow a terrorist. Someone has an endgame with that move, do you follow me?

              The next point to ponder is: if we do get into the EU or NATO, is that worth it if albanian terrorists are running half of our government? I'm not even talking about pride here. Some of these posts are very important and wield a lot of power.

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              • Dimko-piperkata
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 1876

                #22
                macedonia need stability and thats the reason for this decision in grujos eyes.

                a domino effect will appear if macedonia falls...not only the balkan will burn then.

                In that situation and miserable time I dont want to try to walk in grujos shoes !

                macedonia is just a step away from beeing mauled, thats the truth !
                1) Macedonians belong to the "older" Mediterranean substratum...
                2) Macedonians are not related with geographically close Greeks, who do not belong to the "older" Mediterranenan substratum...

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                • RedAndYellowBlood
                  Junior Member
                  • Feb 2013
                  • 94

                  #23
                  Originally posted by DedoAleko View Post
                  Translation please
                  MACEDONIA IS FOR MACEDONIANS

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                  • Risto the Great
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 15661

                    #24
                    I would imagine the text is suggesting the new minister has an IQ of "AK47".
                    Risto the Great
                    MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                    "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                    Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                    • Risto the Great
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 15661

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Dimko-piperkata View Post
                      I dont think that gruevski is corrupt and I also dont think that some "side" has pressured him to nominate a uck terrorist BUT what I think is, that some "side" has offered him this decision and maybe this "side" gave him a positive pledge on entering EU, NATO under constitutional name...
                      No side (other than the Albanian side) would offer up a former UCK terrorist for this role. They already have had one ethnic Albanian defence minister. This is just further proof that ethnic Albanians are calling the shots in Macedonia. And that Gruevski is a puppet.

                      For the people that say "do you think SDSM would be better?" I say no. I also say why does it have to be any of them?

                      And why can't the RoMacedonians rise as one to register their discontent?
                      Risto the Great
                      MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                      "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                      Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                      • Niko777
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2010
                        • 1895

                        #26
                        maybe this "side" gave him a positive pledge on entering EU, NATO under constitutional name...
                        Please don't believe in these illusions... even if Macedonia does one day join NATO (or the EU).... the name Macedonia will not be present.

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                        • Niko777
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2010
                          • 1895

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Risto the Great View Post
                          For the people that say "do you think SDSM would be better?" I say no. I also say why does it have to be any of them?

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                          • RedAndYellowBlood
                            Junior Member
                            • Feb 2013
                            • 94

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Niko777 View Post
                            Please don't believe in these illusions... even if Macedonia does one day join NATO (or the EU).... the name Macedonia will not be present.
                            What about Republic Of Macedonia?
                            MACEDONIA IS FOR MACEDONIANS

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                            • makedonche
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2008
                              • 3242

                              #29
                              IMHO this appointment is a part of a plan that was construed and agreed to quite some time ago, I'm guessing a merged political party with the Albanians in order to retain power and gaurantee re-election.
                              The challenge for all Macedonians is to avoid emotional responses to these events being actuated and start thinking and planning ahead, trying to predetermine the next potential major activity of the "coalition" and counteracting it. This should be the role of the opposition but their a little busy enacting Greek and Bulgarian plans for cash, so it looks like it's up to the diaspora because from what I can see nobody in ROM gives a rats arse or knows what's going on, they are not even reacting to major changes and decisions let alone planning for a free and independent Macedonia.
                              On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"

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                              • DraganOfStip
                                Senior Member
                                • Aug 2011
                                • 1253

                                #30


                                ”A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices”
                                ― George Orwell

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