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  • The LION will ROAR
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2009
    • 3231

    Petrov: Greece won't be in current borders if it doesn't recognize Macedonia

    Petrov: Greece won't be in current borders if it doesn't recognize Macedonia




    For the first time in history, Hellas was created in 1821 as a uni-religious nation in which the word "Greek" meant to be a Christian and not an ethnos. Hence we have a paradox where everyone in Greece is Greek despite the fact the country is populated by everyone except Greeks, says the president of the World Macedonian Congress, Todor Petrov.

    Greece has a quarrel with our identity, yet it needs to be seriously worried about their own. According to historical facts presented by the WMC when Greece opens up its pandora box about all the ethnicities that live there (this day is approaching fast), the country will be forever changed.

    The word 'Greek' is a synonym for being a Christian, explains Todor Petrov.

    - 200 years ago Greece had few people, all different ethnicities and no common language. The country was created primarily and only due to the interests of the great powers England, France, Germany and Russia. Greece was created by occupying territories and committing genocides and forced evictions of people who lived in the occupied territories.

    - Due to the lack of a 'majority' ethnos, Greece's creators added this as the first law of the Constitution back in 1827 - "Greek is a Christian who lives in Greece". Because of this, the word Greek doesn't mean ethnos, there is no such thing as an ethnic Greek, says Petrov.

    - In Macedonia we have already opened the 'minority and ethnicity' question. The day when this occurs in Greece is approaching faster than everyone thinks. When this happens their territory will be divided among the different ethnicities. This is unavoidable, says Petrov.

    Petrov discussed the genocide committed against Macedonians since the Balkan Wars which continues to this day. Athens will be held responsible for this, says Petrov.

    - In the second world war, Macedonian partisans were tricked by communists in Greece, Serbia and Bulgaria. All Macedonians joined the Greek communists in the civil war which unfortunately ended with the installation of Greece's monarcho-fascists matrix by Britain which is governing Greece to this day.

    Petrov discusses the creation, protection and maintenance of neo nazi and fascist groups.

    - Greece's Neo-Nazi group Golden Dawn is the heart of Ellada. Its existence is very much founded upon hatred, neonazism and anti-Macedonianism. Without nazifascism, Greece as a country wouldn't exist. This nazifascism is continuousy supported by Brussels and Strasbourg. Because of this, Athens is requesting we change our name. But, any sort of change will not save Europe, nor the fake Hellas, concludes Petrov.

    Petrov through his colleagues in Brussels says that even today Brussels is funding Athens with 2 billion euros a year to roam through Aegean Macedonia and destroy Macedonian artefacts or hide them in secret depots in Athens. The whole idea is to cover up the age old fallacy upon which "New Europe began". Cultural globalism was started by the Macedonians, the Eurocrats in Brussels know this, says Petrov.

    The World doesn't begin nor end in Brussels or Strasbourg

    The crisis has shown its true head. The project called "Greece" is nearing its end. The financial crisis which saw Athens borrow obscene amount of money which it will never be able to pay back, the unemployed masses, armed men with kalashnikovs entering homes and robbing civilians, failed elections... everything points out to a civil war. When civil war breaks out, there will be international intervention to keep the peace or installation of a military junta. As usual, Brussels will pay the tab for continuing their experiment with Ellada.


    The Bilderberg group who recently met in Virginia, USA isn't keen on seeing Greece swim out of their mess. According to the British newspaper 'The Guardian', Greece is already declared 'dead'.

    If Athens doesn't recognize Macedonia, Greece will not remain in the current borders, warns the president of the World Macedonian Congress.
    The Macedonians originates it, the Bulgarians imitate it and the Greeks exploit it!
  • George S.
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 10116

    #2
    I'm looking for the day for greece to get it's borders changed.
    "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
    GOTSE DELCEV

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    • TrueMacedonian
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2009
      • 3812

      #3
      In Macedonia we have already opened the 'minority and ethnicity' question. The day when this occurs in Greece is approaching faster than everyone thinks. When this happens their territory will be divided among the different ethnicities. This is unavoidable, says Petrov.
      This is wishful thinking.
      Slayer Of The Modern "greek" Myth!!!

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      • Niko777
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2010
        • 1895

        #4
        Vlachs and Arnauti and prosfyges do not want their own countries, they know that they are stronger if they are united.

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        • makedonche
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2008
          • 3242

          #5
          Originally posted by TrueMacedonian View Post
          This is wishful thinking.
          TM
          We can always hope!
          On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"

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          • George S.
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2009
            • 10116

            #6
            macedonia really has not taken care of itself internally & she has let minorities like albanians run riot overit.Look at the way it's affecting it's sovereignity.Macedonia is heaps more disorganized to take advantage of greece's mishaps.Agreeably that it's just wishfull thinking.
            "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
            GOTSE DELCEV

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            • BigMak
              Banned
              • Jan 2009
              • 209

              #7
              Rom should be lobbying Agean Macedonian villagers and helping Macedonians promote a Breakaway region to move new boarders to join the republic in a relief based result of the economic and financial crisis that Greece is currently facing, there is no reason why our people need to subject themselves to further humiliation, Many Egejci have played the financial card to stay in greek borders in the past, well here is a financial reason for them to agree on siding with ROM. The eventual Euro collapse in greece for the new drachma exchange will be devastating for them.

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              • Stojacanec
                Member
                • Dec 2009
                • 809

                #8
                The Island of Crete and Corfu have been looking at their options to separate from mainland Greece. They are sick of the problems caused by corrupt and incompetent politicians and the negative effect it has on their region.

                Here's hope for similar occurances in Aegean Macedonia. It won't happen but you can only hope.

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                • Onur
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 2389

                  #9
                  Golden Dawn Candidate Threatens MPs with Physical Violence over Macedonia Name Dispute
                  During an election meeting of extreme-right Golden Dawn on Monday evening in Floisvos area in South Athens, candidate Ilias Panagiotaros threatened Greek MPs even with physical violence inside the Parliament, should they would open a debate on the issue of the naming dispute with FYROM.

                  “As a warning we will show them the ANT1 video and if they won’t get it, we will explain to them…, ” Panagiotaros stressed with a very clear by implied threat.

                  Concerning the health care sector and the social benefits, the candidate who aims to get a seat at the Greek Parliament said:

                  “If Chrysi Avgi enters the Parliament, it will storm hospitals and nurseries and throw on the streets the ‘illegal immigrants’ and their children to make place for Greeks.” (protothema, )



                  http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/201...-name-dispute/
                  The "ANT1 video" he was talking about was the one with Golden Dawn MP punching the women on live tv.

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                  • julie
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2009
                    • 3869

                    #10
                    Chaos and civil unrest will ensue

                    Macedonians in Aegean Macedonia are not suffering the same slave mentality as Macedonians within the Republic - under impossible conditions they formed Vinozhito, Macedonian language schools, newspaper and now radio

                    For the 51 percent of Macedonia to secede to RoM, - ROM has shown pathetic subservience and acquiesce to the west with the Ohrid Agreement and Interim Accord for a pathetic so called sovereign nation allowing themselves to be manipulated and brainwashed into acceptance
                    Aegean Macedonia can teach RoMacedonians what it is to fight for once sovereignty and freedom, and maintain the culture and heritage under fascist supreme rule

                    For Aegean Macedonia to secede borders with RoM, it would make the country stronger and there would be hope for Pirin and mala prespa to come into unified Macedonia. a country which should never have been partitioned

                    It is not just wishful thinking but a strong possibility, oh the partying to witness our homeland unified
                    And the RoMacedonians annoying us and them must end, we are one people, it was annoying how they see themselves as superior , and I had some heated discussion there last year
                    "The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse Delchev

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                    • George S.
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 10116

                      #11
                      close the fucking borders.Cut their yourists out they did it to us & got away with it.Gruevski is a traitor to the cause he should stop negotiating our name.Grow some balls & say no to name change.I;m really pissed off with gruevski what right has he got to dilly dally with our name.Stop being a fucking whore & negotiting our name.Nothing but a spinless snake he doesn't listen to common sense & a right to democratic principles of self identification & rights of a country to call themselve what they want.
                      Last edited by George S.; 06-15-2012, 01:59 PM. Reason: ed
                      "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                      GOTSE DELCEV

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                      • EgejskaMakedonia
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2010
                        • 1665

                        #12
                        Originally posted by BigMak View Post
                        Rom should be lobbying Agean Macedonian villagers and helping Macedonians promote a Breakaway region to move new boarders to join the republic in a relief based result of the economic and financial crisis that Greece is currently facing, there is no reason why our people need to subject themselves to further humiliation, Many Egejci have played the financial card to stay in greek borders in the past, well here is a financial reason for them to agree on siding with ROM. The eventual Euro collapse in greece for the new drachma exchange will be devastating for them.
                        Are you for real? Why would they need to play any card to stay in their native land? Are you suggesting that when Macedonian territories were occupied, all Macedonians residing in these areas should have moved because it was now 'in Greek borders'?

                        Think about what you are asking these people to do. I guess if western Macedonia is ever divided, you will support all Macedonians in that area moving out? If anything that completely erodes our claim to these lands , based on numbers.

                        As much as we would all like Aegean Macedonia to be re-united with the rest of Macedonia, it isn't going to happen anytime soon. Yes, Greece may be in an incredibly weak position as we speak...but Macedonia is still of little threat to them. You really think they would let an entire region break away and join a country they hate?

                        It is a perfect time to end the negotiations (which should never have started in the first place) and pressure Greece through other means.

                        The most we could ever hope for is maybe Lerin and surrounding villages joining Macedonia. But even that is wishful thinking. You need to understand that not everyone in Aegean Macedonia is now Macedonian. There are a LOT of prosfygi and grkomani who wouldn't allow such a thing to happen.

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                        • BigMak
                          Banned
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 209

                          #13
                          Originally posted by julie View Post
                          Chaos and civil unrest will ensue

                          Macedonians in Aegean Macedonia are not suffering the same slave mentality as Macedonians within the Republic - under impossible conditions they formed Vinozhito, Macedonian language schools, newspaper and now radio
                          Lol Yeah Right! Macedonians are the best slaves in the region, as a whole! especially the egejci, Newspaper and radio oh yeah good luck getting a copy, and as for listening to the radio, haven't you spotted the white van near the transmitter blocking the signal, Greece has done its job with the assimilation tactics of egej, letting Vonozito (note the spelling of it) exist is a way to appease Human rights and slandering comments from abroad who say otherwise.

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                          • BigMak
                            Banned
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 209

                            #14
                            Originally posted by EgejskaMakedonia View Post
                            Are you for real? Why would they need to play any card to stay in their native land? Are you suggesting that when Macedonian territories were occupied, all Macedonians residing in these areas should have moved because it was now 'in Greek borders'?

                            Think about what you are asking these people to do. I guess if western Macedonia is ever divided, you will support all Macedonians in that area moving out? If anything that completely erodes our claim to these lands , based on numbers.

                            As much as we would all like Aegean Macedonia to be re-united with the rest of Macedonia, it isn't going to happen anytime soon. Yes, Greece may be in an incredibly weak position as we speak...but Macedonia is still of little threat to them. You really think they would let an entire region break away and join a country they hate?

                            It is a perfect time to end the negotiations (which should never have started in the first place) and pressure Greece through other means.

                            The most we could ever hope for is maybe Lerin and surrounding villages joining Macedonia. But even that is wishful thinking. You need to understand that not everyone in Aegean Macedonia is now Macedonian. There are a LOT of prosfygi and grkomani who wouldn't allow such a thing to happen.
                            I think you may have missed what I have said, you may want to read it again!

                            I'm not asking for Macedonians to move from our lands, Im asking for the many Good Slave Macedonians of whom have had every excuse under the sun including financial reasons who have not openly declared their oppression, and of whom I might add have many family members abroad of which carry and die with a slave name and also speek greek etc and of whom never admit to what ethnic lineage they derive until they have passed away with a bereavement comment in the local paper stating Pavlos Nicolaou's was a great DEDO to spiro, Souvlaki and fasolada,

                            Im asking for Macedonians to help Macedonians to promote a breakaway region and yes meaning Lerin and surrounding villages to join ROM, Hopefully this will also entice the good slave Macedonian because it just might be beneficial to his hip pocket to do so

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                            • EgejskaMakedonia
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2010
                              • 1665

                              #15
                              Originally posted by BigMak View Post
                              I think you may have missed what I have said, you may want to read it again!

                              I'm not asking for Macedonians to move from our lands, Im asking for the many Good Slave Macedonians of whom have had every excuse under the sun including financial reasons who have not openly declared their oppression, and of whom I might add have many family members abroad of which carry and die with a slave name and also speek greek etc and of whom never admit to what ethnic lineage they derive until they have passed away with a bereavement comment in the local paper stating Pavlos Nicolaou's was a great DEDO to spiro, Souvlaki and fasolada,

                              Im asking for Macedonians to help Macedonians to promote a breakaway region and yes meaning Lerin and surrounding villages to join ROM, Hopefully this will also entice the good slave Macedonian because it just might be beneficial to his hip pocket to do so
                              A break away region would not happen without a war, whether that be between nations or within Greek borders. That would not be beneficial for ones' hip pocket.

                              I also think you overestimate the Macedonian economy. Sure RoM may not be knee deep in financial turmoil, however their economy provides no guarantees to these people whom you believe you break away.

                              Greece has seen worse times than this since the partition of Macedonia. What makes you believe it is possible now? If anything, as time passes, our chances of grow smaller and smaller.

                              For starters, I don't think they will facilitate your proposal if you call them slaves. Perhaps you first need to get a grip on reality, instead of assuming that Aegean Macedonia will be reunited just like that.

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