Smilkovci Lake Killings

[Soldier of Macedon]

Has anyone considered any of the numerous crime gangs involved in drug and human trafficking?

Interesting point, though if it was for the purpose of human or organ trafficking they wouldn't have binded and killed them (yet). I can't see what the motivation would be for drug traffickers, unless they were on some sort of 'power trip' at the time and did it for their own sick idea of 'fun'. Perhaps it is a combination of 'revenge' by Albanian extremists for the recent events during and after the carnival and an attempt to provoke a response from the Macedonians, with the ultimate aim of starting another conflict and furthering their irredentism. Or perhaps (unlikely, but anything is possible) it was just a bunch of fucking idiots and ethnicity was irrelevant.

[United MKD]

Sums it all up.

[BalkanBruno]

Police: At least 3 shooters involved in massacre

Footsteps, vehicle tracks, different calibre weapons all point to the fact the heinous crime committed on Thursday was done by at least three shooters, said Minister of Interior Gordana Jankulovska during a press conference earlier today.

Police also confirmed all four Macedonians were tied up, shot at (executed) from very close range. The fifth man Borce Stefkovski who according to police was witness to the crime was killed just as brutally as the rest. He too was shot multiple times in the head.

Police has summoned nearly 50 people for questioning.

Local officials as well as police are urging citizens to be vigilant, remain calm while police is investigating. Police has opened a '199' phone line urging citizens to call should they have any tips to the crime.

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/20802/2/

Police also confirmed all four Macedonians were tied up, shot at (executed) from very close range. The fifth man Borce Stefkovski who according to police was witness to the crime was killed just as brutally as the rest. He too was shot multiple times in the head.

Oh lord they even killed the witness? i am sad that this is happening, but this all due to the immigration polices.

[BalkanBruno]

The fact that four kids were EXECUTED and shot in the head is alarming, i am surprised there has not been more out rage in macedonia. The last time people were executed was in WW2 and in the 2001 conflict.... Time for people to start waking up on whats happening next

I agree with you on that because if Macedonians dont wake up sorry for me saying this but Macedonia will look like Kosovo in a few years if there isn't anything been done.

The Albanians with the backup of the puppet western countries and NATO and America the Albanians dream of a great Albania will come true.

They wont stop it until they will claim parts of Greece as well.

[Zarni]

A deliberate provocation from the shiptar movements in Macedonia and Kosovo...to open a wider conflict between the shiptari and the state.

I suggested this from the outset a Terrorist Group from Kosovo, if proven true Macedonian Authorities need to have all rights to hunt them down

The Macedonian angles killed had no criminal past and were model citizens
not for a second is this a petty drug hit

It is great the Macedonian Police have know allot of traces of the crime to work with, good willing they will be captured soon this crime must be solved it is more important then the attempted assassination of Gligorov

[Zarni]

It's incredible how the perpetrators can escape so easily. Worse yet, the Macedonian government will likely receive no assistance by Albanian and Kosovo authorities

Dont be so sure about the regime in Kosovo they have EU signed obligations now not to mention for 4 years there is a Permanently placed Macedonian Police Intelligence Office in Pristina (and it isnt the Macedonian embassy either) the KLA regime has to cooperate whether they like it or not.

[Zarni]

I am concerned about revenge attacks, no doubt Macedonian Churchs will be target very soon and Border Police have to remain at hight of alert readiness

[Big Bad Sven]

They wont stop it until they will claim parts of Greece as well.

Nah Greece is safe, they did the smart thing, they assimilated orthodox albanians into modern grks with the power of god, and kicked out all of the muslims to turkey and destroyed all of their mosques. Dumb macedonians did the wrong thing trying to make friends with these people and allowed their culture to flourish.

Plus greece supports the shiptars in macedonia, i bet you dont hear that in belgrade

[Big Bad Sven]

Were are the macedonian shiptars protesting against this type of killing of innocents? It seems like only the macedonians care about this vile crime.

Remember we had macedonians protest together with the shiptars in gostivar against "police brutality" against the 2 drug dealing shiptars that were killed by the policeman, yet when ever it comes to a macedonian being hurt or killed the shiptars amazingly remained quite

Goes to show how much the shiptars really care about macedonians. They dont give a ratts ass about macedonians, they only care bout themselves the selfish bastards.

[Vangelovski]

Interesting point, though if it was for the purpose of human or organ trafficking they wouldn't have binded and killed them (yet). I can't see what the motivation would be for drug traffickers, unless they were on some sort of 'power trip' at the time and did it for their own sick idea of 'fun'. Perhaps it is a combination of 'revenge' by Albanian extremists for the recent events during and after the carnival and an attempt to provoke a response from the Macedonians, with the ultimate aim of starting another conflict and furthering their irredentism. Or perhaps (unlikely, but anything is possible) it was just a bunch of fucking idiots and ethnicity was irrelevant.

My suggestion was that the culprits aren't even Albanian or if they were it was not ethnically motivated and that these guys were simply killed for criminal intentions, such as turf warfare. To be honest, I haven't seen anything in the media suggesting it was ethnically motivated.

[Phoenix]

My suggestion was that the culprits aren't even Albanian or if they were it was not ethnically motivated and that these guys were simply killed for criminal intentions, such as turf warfare. To be honest, I haven't seen anything in the media suggesting it was ethnically motivated.

I agree that it could be a number of reasons for this crime but the manner in which the four guys were killed was extremely barbaric by all accounts, almost execution style and the fact that the alleged witness was also killed shows a particularly cold and calculated crime being played out.

I still think its related to the police parking incident.

One needs to question the credibility of anything released by the authorities in Macedonia and how this is then reported in the Macedonian media...I think they both go out of their way to play down these ethnic crimes, mostly detrimental to the Macedonian side.

[Vangelovski]

I agree that it could be a number of reasons for this crime but the manner in which the four guys were killed was extremely barbaric by all accounts, almost execution style and the fact that the alleged witness was also killed shows a particularly cold and calculated crime being played out.

I still think its related to the police parking incident.

One needs to question the credibility of anything released by the authorities in Macedonia and how this is then reported in the Macedonian media...I think they both go out of their way to play down these ethnic crimes, mostly detrimental to the Macedonian side.

It could well turn out to be ethnically motivated, but until we have further information, my feeling is that its organised crime related. It just looks too much like a traditional 'mob hit' to me. Ethnic violence tends to be much less execution style (unless of course its done by state security forces committing genocide), usually done in a manner that will attract others to the 'cause' and targeted at an easily recognisable enemy.

[ProMKD]

My vote is for foreign intelligence services attempting to destabilize Macedonia. Whether they used shiptar shooters or not

[Čento]

Macedonian incidents in the middle of Skopje by Macedonian Hooligan fans - YouTube

[Volk]

My vote is for foreign intelligence services attempting to destabilize Macedonia. Whether they used shiptar shooters or not

Spot on... UCK was created by the German secret services and trained and equipped by US and UK services... This is now well documented...

Only a fool would think that 5 people (4 almost kids) would be executed the way they were without a greater agenda.