Jovan Vraniskovski - The Traitor

[Rogi]

What we should do, is buy up the houses in the village(s) surrounding Prohor Pcinski and offer them free to Macedonians (with Serbian citizenship) to settle there and homogenise the surrounding area.

Then, they should declare independence. It worked for Kosovo.


(I couldn't find the sarcasm emoticon, so pretend this is it)

[Prolet]

SOM, You are comparing a Panagjur in Ovcharani to a declaration of our republic? I think there is a slight difference there, they can celebrate in any village they like in Egejska Makedonija the locals there are free to do what they like while our Ambassador Ljubisha Georgievski has to kiss the arses of the Bishops in SPC each year just for them to allow us to go to our monistary which the Serbian Church has taken over.

President Ivanov declared before hand that he will not be going, the writting was already on the wall when Vranishkovski was given a 2 year jail term aswell as being forced to pay 240,000 Euros. In a normal world with normal countries, Its OK for the ANZACS to travel 20,000 km to Galipolli in Anzac Cove while our delegation cant go 10km over the border to celebrate the creation of our republic which occured in 1944.

I'd rather go to Pelince and keep my dignity then go to Prohor Pcinski and meet up with a traitor like Vranishkovski who is shoved down our throats by the Serbian Bishops. They should put Bishop Kiril in charge of the SPC-MPC affairs, he wouldnt allow them to step foot inside a Macedonian Orthodox Church or Monistary.

The reality is that Serbia in the name of Yugoslavia took away thousands of hectares of our land, the real Macedonian-Serbian border is where Vranje is, even Kosovo starts from Prizren onwards.

[Jankovska]

And what? Give it up? Give our past up just because it's easier? Wow you are a real fighter. We should give up going to Sandanski's grave than, and give up fighting for human rights in Greece. It is our history Prolet, which part do you find hard to understand. It belongs to us and instead of preaching here how your gov is soooo right about what they do why don't you admit they should grow some balls and demand respect for our past. But than that's not as easy as going to Pelince.
You would rather go to Pelince? Just proves how sold out you are together with the gov. I would never because our past belongs to us, I will demand respect everywhere I go. I guess we are all different. It is not humiliation to demand respect, it is embaressing to run like a coward in the face of problems.

[Prolet]

Jankovska, You demand respect in normal countries do you classify Bulgaria and Serbia as normal countries? Todor Petrov lead a delegation to visit Jane Sandanski's grave and the Bulgarian Border Police didnt let them cross the border, not even the Omo Ilinden Pirin members were allowed to visit the grave and if they did they did it in small numbers.

Whats wrong with celebrating on Meckin Kamen and Pelince? SPC has been provoking us for years now, the only way out is a diplomatic row and the use of force and thats exactly what they are pushing for do you want us to fall in their trap? Sure we keep trying but how do you negotiate with SPC when they constantly insist on having Vraniskovski be their representative?

[Jankovska]

Jankovska, You demand respect in normal countries do you classify Bulgaria and Serbia as normal countries? Todor Petrov lead a delegation to visit Jane Sandanski's grave and the Bulgarian Border Police didnt let them cross the border, not even the Omo Ilinden Pirin members were allowed to visit the grave and if they did they did it in small numbers.

Whats wrong with celebrating on Meckin Kamen and Pelince? SPC has been provoking us for years now, the only way out is a diplomatic row and the use of force and thats exactly what they are pushing for do you want us to fall in their trap? Sure we keep trying but how do you negotiate with SPC when they constantly insist on having Vraniskovski be their representative?

I can't remember your gov demanding respect nor the previous one. USe of force? Where did you grow up? Mechkin Kamen is a differen part of our history but Prohor Pchinski is our history too. It's pathetic if you think you have the right to fight for Egejci's rights or Pirinci's rights and not our history. This is why Macedonia is where it is, we have had too many traitors in power who will cover up or not bother with our history and what's ours. Our president should send a letter to the Serbian president not asking but demanding a visit.It's our right. But hold it, I thought he was invited and he declined? So koj pamet? Sto kurac ke trazi na Pelince?

[Prolet]

Jankovska, You know what, you're right we shouldnt give up on whats ours. The Serbian Government seems OK its SPC thats making all the problems.

Well Said Jankovska, i must admit i was wrong on this one.

[Prolet]

Zoran Vraniskovski wants to build a Church in Nerezi

Raskolnik Zoran Vraniskovski has bought land in the Skopje Village of Nerezi which falls under the Municipality of Karposh, the land was bought via a businessman from Bitola and the funds came from Serbia.

Opstina Karposh has said that there is no license to build there and if anything is built they will bulldoze it down.

РАС*КОЛ*НИ*КОТ ЈОВАН ЈА ШИРИ МРЕЖАТА

Вранишковски ќе гради црква во Нерези

На плацот, кој се наоѓа веднаш до новите гробишта во селото, нап*ра*ве*н е и пат, и се гледа дека се започнати работи за расчистување на зем*јиш*те*то. Жителите не можеа да ни потврдат кога бил продаден пла*цот туку само виделе дека летото се расчистува земјиштето со багери

Црк*ва*та на Зоран Вранишковски, поранешниот владика Јован во МПЦ, ку*пи*ла плац во скопското село Средно Нерези, на кој планирала да гради цр*ко*вен објект. Вранишковски истапи од МПЦ и формираше негова црква под име*то Православна охридска епископија (ПОА), која е под патронат на Срп*ска*та и на Грчката православна црква. ПОА на диво постои во Ма*ке*до*ни*ја, оти сè уште не е регистрирана.
Сопс*тве*ни*кот на плацот, кој го купил плацот за да се гради верски објект, е непознат. Дознаваме дека бизнисмен од Битола и директор на една поз*на*та скопска фабрика, која беше купена со српски капитал, ги дале парите за плацот.
Ка*ко што ни кажаа селаните, плацот се наоѓа веднаш до новите гробишта во селото. Според нив, кога дознале дека е продаден плацот, тие се рас*пра*ша*ле кај сопствениците на земјиштето и кај нивните роднини дали вис*ти*на плацот е купен од приврзаници на црквата на Вра*ниш*ков*ски. Тие првично не биле расположени да кажат кому го продале зем*јиш*те*то, но подоцна им рекле дека таму би требало да има верски објект на црк*ва*та на Вранишковски. Според нив, за земјиштето, наводно, биле пла*те*ни околу 100 илјади евра. Тие велат дека нема ништо спорно и не*за*кон*ски туку верниците ги иритира што нерегистрираната црква на Јован ќе има верски објект.
Се*га приврзаниците на Јован црковна служба извршувале во близина на се*ло*то, во стан спроти студентскиот дом "Гоце Делчев".
Де*ка тука нешто се случува, селаните забележале уште пред две години, ко*га го виделе Вранишковски како поминува во селото. Тие мислеле дека ту*ка поминува оти се крие од полицијата, бидејќи треба да одлежи казна зат*вор, но тој отишол кај земјиштето и го разгледувал.
На плацот има направено и пат и се гледа дека се започнати работи за рас*чис*ту*ва*ње на земјиштето. Жителите не можеа да ни потврдат кога бил про*да*ден плацот туку само виделе дека летото се расчистува земјиштето со багери.
(Г. Трпеноски)

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Општина Карпош: Ако се прави објект, ќе го рушиме оти е нелегален

Се*ло*то Горно Нерези се наоѓа на територијата на Општина Карпош.
Од Општината Карпош изјавија оти првпат слушаат дека во Средно Не*ре*зи ќе се градел верски објект.
"Не знаеме за таква работа. Но ако на тоа земјиште никне објект, тогаш Оп*шти*на*та ќе ги преземе сите законски мерки за да се спречи негово градење. Досега до нас нема стигнато никакво барање за градење на тоа зем*јиш*те", велат од Општината.

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Црквата на Вранишковски чека на регистрација

Ев*роп*ска*та комисија против расизам и нетолеранција (ЕКРН), која ра*бо*ти во составот на Советот на Европа, во нејзиниот извештај, објавен на 15 јуни 2010 година, ја критикуваше Македонија поради нерегистрирањето на Пра*вос*лав*на*та охридска архиепископија.
Ис*то така, и во извештајот на Стејт департментот за 2009 година за по*чи*ту*ва*ње на човековите права стои загриженост за пробивањето на ро*ко*ви*те за регистрирање на нови религиозни групи и цркви во судот, иако го сме*та*ат новиот Закон за верските заедници либерален.
Зо*ран Вранишкоски во август 2009 се обиде да ја регистрира неговата црк*ва како Гркоправославна охридска архиепископија на Пеќската пат*ри*јар*ши*ја.
Су*дот не дозволил регистрација на црквата на Јован, бидејќи името во се*бе содржи назив кој е содржан и постои во името на Македонската пра*вос*лав*на црква, а, во исто време, називи слични на имиња од други држави и цркви.
Тоа, според Законот за верските заедници, е забрането.
Црк*ва*та на Јован во Македонија дејствува веќе 6 години без судска ре*гис*тра*ци*ја. Главна пречка за тоа претставува името на верската заедница.
Во јули годинава, Апелациониот суд ја потврди првостепената одлука на Ве*леш*ки*от суд, кој во октомври минатата година го осуди Вранишковски за злоупотреба на 250 илјади евра црковни пари од неколку епархии на МПЦ. Расчинетиот владика претходно двапати добиваше ос*ло*бо*ди*тел*на пресуда, но Апелација ја укинуваше и ја враќаше на повторно су*де*ње.

http://www.vest.com.mk/?ItemID=0AC0450EB99EE84D9A6639AA349C20CD

[Bill77]

Vraniskovski arrested in Bulgaria..

Wednesday, 17 November 2010

Bulgarian police late last night arrested Jovan Vraniskovski at the Bulgarian-Serbian border crossing Kalotina.

He is the leader of a one man church named POA whose public stance is to undermine the Macedonian Church, in Macedonia.

For his church 'work', Vraniskovski was a major hit both in Serbia and Greece where he was granted Serbian and Greek citizenship. His only qualification at the time was that as a member of the Macedonian Orthodox Church he agreed to receive cash to undermine the MOC from the inside. The MOC quickly expelled Vraniskovski.

Currently, the Bulgarian police is holding Vraniskovski in jail as per an international warrant by Bitola's County Court.

Vraniskovski was wanted in Macedonia on 250,000 euros embezzlement charges.

It isn't known whether he will be extradited to Macedonia because of his Serbian and Greek passports. According to Vraniskovski's website, this week he was in Solun where he held lithurgies for the Greek church.

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/16873/45/

Do the right thing Bulgaria and extradite him to Macedonia. Or Melbourne Australia will do.

[Risto the Great]

Can that fool have more than 2 passports?
Does Macedonia allow this?

[Bill77]

Can that fool have more than 2 passports?
Does Macedonia allow this?

All Macedonia can do is destroy his Macedonian passport (Thats if he still has one). Regarding having two passports, Anything is possible when you have rouge states like Serbia and in particular greece who is run by the Anti Christ church aka Greek Orthodox church, who would not only give him a passport, but lots of money and a nice hideaway aswell.

[Prolet]

Bill, Vranishkovski was set up purposely to create tensions in the Macedonian Church, his POA church is there as a so called officially recognized church in Macedonia.

We should set up a Macedonian Orthodox Church in Serbia and see what the Serbian Poglavar has to say about that, they already threatened MPC that there will be no dialogue until Vraniskovski is in Prison. The only problem about Vraniskovski now is that he didnt take out a Bulgarian Passport since he has a Serbian and a Greek passport.

[Bill77]

Bill, Vranishkovski was set up purposely to create tensions in the Macedonian Church, his POA church is there as a so called officially recognized church in Macedonia.

We should set up a Macedonian Orthodox Church in Serbia and see what the Serbian Poglavar has to say about that, they already threatened MPC that there will be no dialogue until Vraniskovski is in Prison. The only problem about Vraniskovski now is that he didnt take out a Bulgarian Passport since he has a Serbian and a Greek passport.

Who is "they" that threatened MPC? surley you are not talking about the serbs are you? why would they want Vranishkovski locked up.

[Big Bad Sven]

Bill, Vranishkovski was set up purposely to create tensions in the Macedonian Church, his POA church is there as a so called officially recognized church in Macedonia.

We should set up a Macedonian Orthodox Church in Serbia and see what the Serbian Poglavar has to say about that, they already threatened MPC that there will be no dialogue until Vraniskovski is in Prison. The only problem about Vraniskovski now is that he didnt take out a Bulgarian Passport since he has a Serbian and a Greek passport.

Prolet, i thought the serbs were out mates?

Its interesting that he was on the serbian-bulgarian border, interesting because the greater serbia dream includes a lot of of the land in bulgaria that borders serbia.... maybe he was on a mission to "enlighten" a few people

If he gets jailed in bulgaria i wonder if the serbs will be as vocal and critical to them as they were to us...

[Frank]

I would always wonder how the Europeans and Serbia would react if Macedonian APC's and Tanks rolled 1.5km into the Occupied Border Zone and stayed for 2 hours

(Just like Israel has done on many occasions)

[Prolet]

Bill, SPC wants Zoran Vranishkovski to be the head of our church, they (Serbian Church) is saying there will be no dialogue until Vraniskovski is released from all charges.