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  • Onur
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2010
    • 2389

    FBI hires spies to fake terror plots in US

    It turned out that FBI is running a sting operation across America, targeting vulnerable people by luring them into fake terror plots on behalf of muslim groups in USA.

    British Guardian newspaper reports;

    FBI hires spies to fake terror plots
    The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) is reportedly giving money and weapons to poor criminals to carry out terrorist attacks on US soil on behalf of Muslim groups.

    The Guardian reported that the terrorist plots "came from the FBI, and an informant paid to pose as a terrorist mastermind paying big bucks for help in carrying out an attack."

    Drug dealer David Williams was one of the victims of the FBI plot. In May 2009, he was rearrested and handed a 25-year jail sentence.

    Williams and three others were convicted of an Islamic terrorist plot to blow up Jewish synagogues and shoot down military jets with missiles.

    Alicia McWilliams, David's aunt, expressed disbelief that the US government had paid her nephew to be a terrorist and then jailed him for it.

    "I feel like I am in the Twilight Zone," she told The Guardian.

    According to the report, lawyers for the case have launched an appeal that will be held early next year. Advocates hope the case offers the best chance of exposing the issue of FBI "entrapment" in terror cases.

    "The target, the motive, the ideology and the plot were all led by the FBI," said Karen Greenberg, a law professor at Fordham University in New York, who specializes in studying new FBI tactics.

    Critics say the FBI is running a sting operation across America, targeting -- to a large extent -- the Muslim community by luring people into fake terror plots.

    The FBI sends informants to trawl through Muslim communities, hang out in mosques and community centers, and talk of radical Islam in order to identify possible targets sympathetic to such ideals, the report said.

    16 November 2011

    Critics say bureau is running a sting operation across America, targeting vulnerable people by luring them into fake terror plots


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  • Soldier of Macedon
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 13674

    #2
    The tactic of entrapment may be a dirty one, but is the lure of money great enough to engage in such activity? I would like to think that for most people the answer is 'no'.
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    • Onur
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2010
      • 2389

      #3
      Yes, answer would be "NO" for the most but the reason for the existence of intelligence agencies are to find that "few" people who can say "YES" (!!!)

      I am sure they have more than enough collected information and qualified people (spies) to find people who can accept that among millions of muslims in USA. Most likely, FBI has all the necessary information about these people, stored and classified in their computers.

      I am sure it wasn't difficult for German intelligence to find young Germans to convince them to kill 10s of Turks in Germany, so it shouldn't be difficult for FBI to find people to arrange fake terror attacks in US.
      Last edited by Onur; 11-20-2011, 10:47 AM.

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      • ProMKD
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        • Oct 2011
        • 367

        #4
        When it comes down to it, like the above members mentioned, it's the people who take the weapons and commit the crimes that are responsible for it, not the FBI, not anybody else.

        If the article stated "fbi arrests muslim citizens who did nothing" then I would be intrigued.
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        • Soldier of Macedon
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 13674

          #5
          Originally posted by Onur View Post
          Yes, answer would be "NO" for the most but the reason for the existence of intelligence agencies are to find that "few" people who can say "YES" (!!!)
          Is that necessarily a bad thing? A good intelligence agency should identify potential risks in their soceity. Of course, given their tactics each case should be treated seperately.
          I am sure it wasn't difficult for German intelligence to find young Germans to convince them to kill 10s of Turks in Germany, so it shouldn't be difficult for FBI to find people to arrange fake terror attacks in US.
          You should compare this to Turkish intelligence agencies doing the same with Kurds in your country. And they are not exactly relating to 'fake' attacks, because the people who accept such offers do it on the understanding that it will be a real attack.
          In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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          • Onur
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2010
            • 2389

            #6
            Yes, it happened with Turkish intelligence in the past too but this is not only about identifying potential risky people, this is also about manipulate and convince them to commit crimes. Thats what i am talking about.

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            • Soldier of Macedon
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 13674

              #7
              How do the tactics between Americans and Turks differ? Do you think Turkish intelligence didn't send in people undercover to try 'fish' for information and purport to have the means to supply would-be terrorists with the resources they need to carry out such acts? How else would they be able to determine if they are willing or not?
              In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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              • Onur
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2010
                • 2389

                #8
                There is a huge difference if you read the article.

                As in the cases of German or Turkish one, they were finding people, so-called "allies" but easy to manipulate to commit crimes against the so-called "enemies" but in the case with the FBI, they try to find people from the "enemy side" and convince them to commit crimes to be able to create panic and psychological terror in the minds of their "own people, allies". The others are causing real crimes, but this one just creates fake crimes to cause panic.

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                • DirtyCodingHabitz
                  Member
                  • Sep 2010
                  • 835

                  #9
                  You can't have profit if you don't create problems. That's why USA creates fake terror attacks so they can bomb countries and then rebuild them, and don't forget their oil.

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                  • Soldier of Macedon
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 13674

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Onur View Post
                    ........in the case with the FBI, they try to find people from the "enemy side" and convince them to commit crimes to be able to create panic and psychological terror in the minds of their "own people, allies".
                    Have you ever asked yourself why people from the "enemy side" are entertaining such offers? Why aren't they reporting those people making the offers to the authorities instead? Unless it is a case where the FBI are holding their relatives as hostages (which I highly doubt) or something along those lines, entrapment usually takes two to tango. The lure of money is no excuse for accepting such offers.
                    In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                    • Onur
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 2389

                      #11
                      SOM, i think you are trying to create an useless argument for some reason but in fact they do. I do read articles like that b4, people reporting some freak among them who asks for doing terrorist acts and it turns out that the person was working with FBI.

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                      • Soldier of Macedon
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 13674

                        #12
                        Onur, you're trying to make it out like the people who are being 'convinced' don't have a choice in the matter, like they don't understand what is being asked of them when a guy approaches, befriends and asks them if they want to partake in a terrorist act for some money. Are they not responsible for their own actions? Why don't they report these people making the offers to authorities?
                        Originally posted by Onur
                        I do read articles like that b4, people reporting some freak among them who asks for doing terrorist acts and it turns out that the person was working with FBI.
                        That is not enough for people to be put in prison. They are only suspect when they entertain the suggestion. Can't you understand that?
                        In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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