Conflicts in the Middle East & Northern Africa

[Onur]

My opinion is that the threat of Russian or even Chinese presence in the middle east and Africa is much more dangerous and hard to remove then some smaller country that is run by a bunch of fanatical s that have no clue how to run a country.

I guess thats why the USA supported the Taliban over a pro Soviet Afghan government, because they knew they could crush the Taliban later on when their used by date passed. The same could be said for the puppet governments that the USA created such as Saddam's or Ghaddifis.

Bingo !!!

I really wonder why most of the people cannot comprehend what you said here. Actually the little political games of CIA are not difficult to comprehend but unfortunately most people prefers to believe headlines on mainstream media like "US bringing democracy to the middle-east, islamic thread from jihadists" etc.

Also this is a common tactic of all imperial states. They always need a proxy group of peoples to use against their enemies and create chaos in a particular place. They can play double-sided or they can eliminate their proxy peoples when there is no need to them anymore by presenting them as new enemies on the media, just like Al-Qaida, Taliban. This is a 2000+ year old tactic since Roman empire.

[George S.]

Is there a set pattern of who gets in or who doesn't depending of who is involved.Definitely where the cia is involved there seems to be interference.They simply want a regime change for what good?

[Coolski]

BBS, I think you've missed one huge point, and that is that while fundamental islamists may not have access to traditional weapons, they have people power, and their mindsets are absolutely staunch and unwilling to compromise. Long-term these seeds will grow to become huge problems. Look at how easy it was for the 911 attackers to hit in NYC! They dont operate in the traditional military world. They operate in the civilian world. These mindsets and tendencies are very hard to reverse, especially after they have been sponsored and supported.

[George S.]

correct me if i'm wrong but no one has lifted a finger to help them.If there was oil the americans would have been there with a bang.No body cares would anyone risk their lives to go in and stop the war .I doubt it as the un is reluctant to send any troops.
So true//their mindsets are absolutely staunch and unwilling to compromise. Long-term these seeds will grow to become huge problems. Look at how easy it was for the 911 attackers to hit in NYC! They dont operate in the traditional military world. They operate in the civilian world. These mindsets and tendencies are very hard to reverse, especially after they have been sponsored and supported."" they won't give in easily that's another reason not to get involved in other people's wars unless you want a lot of body bags in return.The immediate thing that comes to mind is the thousands of soldiers who have lost their lives in battle fo the sakes of iraq & afghanistan you wonder if it was worth it.Some one said as soon as the americans pull pot the undesrables will move in that is so true.You can't molly cottle countries under the guise of attaining democracy.They never had these things before & they may revert to what they were before.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Now it's Jordan's turn:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19837500

Jordan's king has dissolved parliament, paving the way for early polls ahead of protests seen as his biggest challenge since the start of the Arab Spring. The decree follows Abdullah II's pledge to bring in political reforms aimed at avoiding anti-government unrest. Jordanians have been pressing for a greater say in how their country is run and demanding corruption be tackled.

Jordan's Muslim Brotherhood said in July its political party, the Islamic Action Front, would boycott the polls.

The group has called for the monarch's powers to be curtailed, and for an overhaul of the parliamentary system in which the prime minister is appointed by the king rather than elected. It has said it would boycott polls until such measures were introduced. King Abdullah said recently a new parliament would elect a prime minister early next year.

About Turkey & Syria:

http://www.longislandpress.com/2012/10/05/turkey-syria-clash-showcases-dangers-of-spillover/

BEIRUT (AP) — Retaliatory Turkish artillery strikes deep into Syria have showed the speed with which the bloody civil war can entangle its neighbors and destabilize an already volatile region.

Beyond the cross-border flare-up, the 18-month battle to oust Syrian President Bashar Assad has already deepened sectarian rifts in Lebanon and Iraq, raised tensions along the long quiet frontier with Israel and emboldened Kurdish separatists in Turkey.

“There is not a single country bordering Syria that we can honestly say they are not facing a realistic threat to internal stability and national security,” said Aram Nerguizian of the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. From the start, Syria’s conflict burst over its borders. Hundreds of thousands of Syrians sought refuge across the country’s borders with Jordan, Turkey, Lebanon and Iraq. Stray bullets and mortar rounds, sometimes with deadly result, have struck Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon and the Israeli-annexed Golan Heights. But in a dramatic escalation on Thursday, Turkey fired back for the first time after an errant Syrian mortar shell killed five people in a Turkish border town Wednesday. Turkey shelled Syrian military targets, and Turkey’s parliament approved future retaliation under such circumstances. Turkey said it did not amount to a declaration of war, and Syria offered a rare apology – a sign that both want to defuse tensions.

Assad’s foes, including Turkey, have been unwilling to intervene directly in Syria, and the Damascus regime has tried to make sure it stays that way, avoiding major provocations that could inadvertently trigger foreign intervention. With Thursday’s parliament decision, Turkish leaders expanded their options for dealing with Syria but avoided a full-scale military confrontation, said Ayham Kamel, a Middle East analyst at the Eurasia Group in London. Some of Syria’s other neighbors, particularly Lebanon, have also shown restraint, in part to try to avoid inflaming sectarian divisions within their own countries that mirror the divides in the Syrian civil war.

Many of those rising up against Assad are Sunni Muslims, while Syria’s ruling elite is dominated by Alawites, an offshoot of Shiite Islam. Syria’s Christian and Kurdish minorities have largely been trying to stay out of the line of fire. Both Iraq and Lebanon have an ethnic and religious mix similar to Syria’s, and in Lebanon, sectarian tensions have been rising. Since May, repeated street clashes between pro- and anti-Assad groups in Lebanon’s majority Sunni port city of Tripoli have killed more than two dozen people. In a further complication, the pro-Assad Hezbollah militia, which is believed to be sending fighters to help the embattled Syrian regime, is a major political and military force in Lebanon. However, Lebanon’s major players have largely resisted the temptation to exploit the Syrian conflict for political gains at home, several analysts said. Lebanon’s 15-year civil war, which ended in 1990, is still deeply etched in the collective memory, and there seems to be little appetite for another round. “I don’t think anyone in Lebanon, among the major political leaders, the major political factions, wants to support a sectarian war (at home),” said Michael Young, the opinion editor for Lebanon’s Daily Star newspaper. But Lebanon’s fragile coalition government may not be able to withstand a protracted conflict next door, and any miscalculation could ignite violence.

“What the crisis is doing is eroding the resilience of the state,” said Emile Hokayam of the International Institute for Strategic Studies, a London-based think tank. “Small security incidents may escalate just because of bad management.” For Iraq’s Shiite-led government, the Syrian civil war has made the job of balancing the demands of Baghdad’s main patrons, the U.S. and Iran, even more difficult. Last month, Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki came under pressure from Washington to ban Iranian planes suspected of carrying weapons to Syria from using Iraqi airspace. Sticking to official neutrality on Syria, al-Maliki said he’d try, but that Iraq could at best perform spot checks. The fighting spirit of Syria’s Sunnis, meanwhile, has helped embolden a Sunni insurgency in Iraq that had been withering for years. If Assad is defeated and Syria joins a Sunni coalition in the region, Iraq might find itself seeking even closer ties with Iran.

Turkey’s outspoken support for the Syrian rebels – a policy it adopted in August 2011, after trying to reason with Assad first – has coincided with a sharp rise in increasingly brazen attacks by the separatist Kurdistan Worker’s Party, or PKK, in southeastern Turkey. In August, Turkey’s deputy prime minister, Bulent Arinc, said a number of those attacks were apparently carried out by Kurdish gunmen who infiltrated from Iran, a staunch Assad ally. A Turkish pro-government newspaper, Sabah, has claimed that Iranian intelligence has stopped providing Turkey with information about Kurdish rebel infiltrations. Assad has also used Syria’s Kurds as pawns against Turkey. After Turkey repeatedly raised the idea of internationally enforced safe zones in Syria in the spring, Syrian regime forces withdrew from several Kurdish towns on the border with Turkey over the summer. That granted them unprecedented autonomy, but also set them up as a buffer zone. Assad was telling Turkey: “‘You can intervene (in Syria), but you’re going to have to fight the PKK on the way to get there’,” said Soner Cagaptay, a Turkey expert at the Washington Institute for Near East Studies. Picking a side in Syria also seems to have ended a decade-long effort by majority Sunni Turkey to increase its regional influence by getting along with all players, including Iran.

In Jordan, the biggest problem for now seems to be the strain put on the country’s meager resources by some 200,000 Syrian refugees who have flooded across the border. Israel has tried to stay on the sidelines, but last month sent a clear message that it’s prepared for all scenarios. In a snap military drill, it airlifted thousands of soldiers to the Golan Heights, a strategic plateau Israel captured from Syria in 1967, and carried out live fire drills there. Israel could face a serious threat to its security if Syrian territory near the Golan becomes a chaotic no-man’s land, said Giora Eiland, a former national security adviser in Israel. Last week, Syrian mortar shells fell near a Golan apple orchard, but Israel said it did not believe it was an intentional hit. However, Iranian advisers are helping direct the Syrian regime’s battles, the defected Syrian prime minister said last month. This would put them just a frontier away from Israel at a time of increasingly ominous threats between Israel and Iran over Tehran’s suspected nuclear weapons program. Nerguizian, the Washington analyst, said Syrian conflict has set in motion sweeping changes that will transform the region. “At this rate, it is not going to look anything like the pattern we’ve seen in the past few decades, since the end of World War II,” he said.

[DirtyCodingHabitz]

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Turkey Attempts to Trigger a NATO-led War against Syria.

Building a Pretext to Wage War on Syria: Turkey attacks Syria after stray shelling.

[The LION will ROAR]

The illuminati Exposed By Muammar Gaddafi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=THlaMUq6MKU

He was in power for 40 years.. His people loved him! When he drove thru the street they weren't blocked off and barrackaded by the military, armed guards or police like the Pres of US, he hung freely outside his sunroof of his car as people cheered him on!
The world govts accused him of creating violence against his own people.. (Lie)
None of this is made up check for yourself!
- In 1951 Libya was the poorest country in the world
- Before the NATO invasion Libyans enjoyed the highest standard of living in Africa ahead of Russia, Brazil and even Saudi Arabia
- In Libya, homes are considered a human right
- Newly married couples receive $50,000 to buy their own home
- Electricity is free to ALL people
- Gaddafi vowed to house every single person in his country before even his own parents
- Before Gaddafi less than 1/5th of Libyans were literate
- Education is free, of high quality and the literacy rate is 83% (higher than in the US)
- Healthcare is also free and of high quality, if a Libyan cannot find the education or healthcare they need in Libya, the Libyan Govt funds them to go abroad to access it
- ALL loans are interest free 0% by law
- If a Libyan buys a car, the Govt pays 50% of the preice
- The price of fuel is 0.14c/lt
- Any Libyan wishing to become a farmer is given free land, livestock, seeds and equipment
- On 1st July 2011, 1.7Million people assembled on Green Square in Tripoli to protest the NATO bombing of Libya (that is 95% of the population of Tripoli)
- Banks are state owned (unlike western banks, ie not the Rothschilds) and the money is issued debt free
- It has transpired that the US paid witnesses at the trial $4M each to testify against the accused Libyan men (paid to lie)
- Gaddafi was implementing that oil be sold in Gold and not the US dollar, something the Americans did not like very much..
- Any footage of people rioting was actual footage of Al Quaeda rebels in other parts of the world firing guns simply into the air, every City in Libya was at Peace.
LIBYA WAS DEBT FREE!
Yeah, a real Tyrant as the news portrayed him.

[George S.]

yeah i read about how gadafi really cared for his people.I'm not surptised if someone like the illuminati did it all.What have you got now??

[Komita]

The international conspiracy against Syria

It's weird that there isn't a topic on this forum and nobody is discussing it.
This is a battle the orthodox christians in Syria cant' afford to lose, they are and have to be with President Bashar Al-Assad and Syria in these tough times.
They have to withstand the wahabi, salafi terrorist attack on a secular government and country that is being sponsored by the inbreads in saudi arabia, and "our big friend" Qatar. And of course the so "called christian EU and America", their only God is money..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQIrSR6tKJg

[Gocka]

Just today at work I had a conversation with a German lady about Syria, I'll quote her exact words: "Well what is the USA supposed to do, I don't want our soldiers overseas but the Man is slaughtering his own people". This is a woman who lived in East Germany before and after the wall went up, whose father was in WW2 and still believes anything she hears, that's how strong the propaganda is here.
The man is no saint that's for sure, he is oppressive and probably should go, but not at the expense of Muslim extremist who have no problem bombing a crowded market and killing a 100 people just to cause disruption. The west is knowingly supporting a group who by every definition cannot be called anything other than terrorists, extremist, psychopaths. It really makes you wonder sometimes with what logic and to what purpose these decisions are made.
The west is turning to whole middle east into a terrorist state, one by one they are overthrowing secular dictators to install radical islamist dictators My theory is that they want to get that whole region as depressed as possible so they can either control it.

[Vangelovski]

You know governments are made up of people and most people make stupid decisions most of the time. Its not a conspiracy, its just life. People seem to think there is some all-knowing genius (called "they") sitting in Washington pulling all the strings and that everything "they" do is perfectly thought-out and executed. The good old 'Grand Strategy'. Maybe its Gruevski...or maybe its just stupid decisions made by stupid people.

Look at Komita for example, he doesn't even know what day it is. He's respresntative of most people in political office.

But I'd like to hear the pathetic, grovelling explanation for this - the myth promoted by "progressive" circles in 2003 when the US invaded Iraq was that it did so for its oil. And it sounded pretty convincing for a while. But in 2009, the US (being the evil imperialists that they are) allowed the Iraqi Government to auction off contracts for their oil fields. Out of the 18 largest contracts, American companies won only 2 - Occidental Petroluem and Exxon. The rest went to companies from China, Russia, Malaysia, South Korea and the Netherlands (among others). The Iraqi Government also kept controlling stakes in many of these, to ensure that the revenue remains at home. How is that possible? If the US is an imperialist state that only seeks to exploit the resources of its supposed 'client' states, then why did it allow the independent auctioning of Iraqi oil contracts, in which it only won 2 bids?

Even in related service contracts (construction, transport, refining, hospitality, food), the US was almost completely absent. Most of these went to Arab companies.

Where is the 'Grand Strategy' to dominate the world? Is this all a part of it?

[EgejskaMakedonia]

We saw the west forcing their agenda onto a number of countries that have been consumed by the 'Arab spring' movement. Mubarak was forced out of Egypt, only to be replaced by a president backed by the Muslim Brotherhood. Similarly, Gadaffi was killed on the basis of some wild assumption that true democracy would result.

Needless to say, both nations are worse off now than they were a few years ago. Syria is heading down the same path.

[Vangelovski]

We saw the west forcing their agenda onto a number of countries that have been consumed by the 'Arab spring' movement. Mubarak was forced out of Egypt, only to be replaced by a president backed by the Muslim Brotherhood. Similarly, Gadaffi was killed on the basis of some wild assumption that true democracy would result.

Needless to say, both nations are worse off now than they were a few years ago. Syria is heading down the same path.

EM, you're one of these "progressive" mythologisers - care to comment on the Iraqi oil example above?

[EgejskaMakedonia]

EM, you're one of these "progressive" mythologisers - care to comment on the Iraqi oil example above?

So 6 years of destroying and pillaging a sovereign nation is justified by the US allowing Iraq to auction off its' oil fields? Not to mention the US still benefited from this deal.

Let me ask you something. Why on earth should Iraq need permission from the US to sell their oil? It shouldn't even be a question of being 'allowed,' they have the damn right to sell to whomever they want.

[Vangelovski]

So 6 years of destroying and pillaging a sovereign nation is justified by the US allowing Iraq to auction off its' oil fields? Not to mention the US still benefited from this deal.

What was pillaged? Benefited? How did the US state benefit and from what? Those 2 bids were won by private companies in an open and competitive tender - they could have done the same without the US going to war. What about all the other companies that won more and larger contracts from countries like China and Russia? I suppose its ok when your ideological buddies cash in?

Let me ask you something. Why on earth should Iraq need permission from the US to sell their oil? It shouldn't even be a question of being 'allowed,' they have the damn right to sell to whomever they want.

Of course they have that right - but you were claiming that the US is an imperialist state, which implies that it controls Iraq and that Iraq would not be able to do anything without US permission. You're contradicting yourself again.