Conflicts in the Middle East & Northern Africa

[Onur]

Misrata Libya, before and after the “liberation”




Reconstruction of Libya by the western firms in exchange of free Libyan oil and money = More profit (!!!)

[Big Bad Sven]

Watching the video of Gadaffi’s final moments and seeing him being tortured and executed by fanatical muslims cheering “allah akbur” just makes me shake my head, these are the people who are going to be running Libya in a “democratic” way in the future?

It’s a known fact that a lot of the “rebels” were once a part of Alquieda lol……

Of course the west will continue to view the Libyans as backwards monkeys and probably laugh at them. Libya is going to be the next Iraq, a failed arab state that will be run by muslim fundamentalists and other rogue terrorists, it will be going backwards.

Of course America and its allies don’t really care about the Libyan people, just the profit

Arabs are a strange lot, and I find they are easily divided and also easily bought out by the highest bidder. Whats the bet in 20-30 years these Libyans/Iraqis etc will forget about their dictators and then turn on NATO and America and get them out of the country?

And if you want to talk about "democracy" well the "rebels" have pretty much taken over control of Libya, what ever happened to people voting and deciding who becomes the government?

[Big Bad Sven]

And just for the record, Gudaffi was no saint but at least he had the best interest of his people, and most importantly wanted all African nations to be rich and prosperous, and was working for that to happen. You got to respect him for that.

Remember for a arab and african country Libya had these positives:

Libya was free of IMF and world bank debt
loans were given at %0 interest
free basic education and compulsory education up to secondary level
almost %40 of the budget was dedicated to education
huge social security benifits
he wanted to be paied for the oil in gold not USD
he built the massive water project to make Libya a centre of north african agriculture and a top 20 economy by 2030
it had a higher HDI than Russia and was the highest in africa

and for that, Libyans could vote... what a monster!!!!!


I found this as a interesting video on perhaps why Libya was attacked,Welcome to debtors slavery Libya

Gaddafi gold-for-oil, dollar-doom plans behind Libya 'mission'? - YouTube


It was a few years ago that Gadaffi was the darling in the media, shaking hands with Blair and Obama, allowed back into the UN, was a good "role-model" for all african and arab leaders, things were going so well he was the darling of the west again but then he decided to trade oil in gold....

The rest is history.

Another Arab leader who sought an alternative to the US dollar is terminated

[Zarni]

I have no doubt the Europeans have our President in line of for assassination too like Trajovski being killed in plane accident.

I am the first to say this on this forum.

[George S.]

looks like the west wanted a change they didn't want gadafi doing what he did for libiya.Well see whether it's for the better?

[Jankovska]

Gadaffi was a dictator who killed and raped and caused enormous pain to people over decades. He deserved everything he got, shame it ended quickly for him, total shame
I just hope the same faith reaches the western murderers who use the word democracy to cover up their bullshit.

[lavce pelagonski]

It is easy for us to judge someone we dont even know. The same can be said about Macedonia.

A Libyan friend of mine told me that everyone had work and the pay was good. No one went hungry and money was spent on education and infrastructure.

His best interests were for his people.

We should wait and see how Libya is going to come out of the destruction of NATO and the rebels.

[vojnik]

Gadaffi was a dictator who killed and raped and caused enormous pain to people over decades. He deserved everything he got, shame it ended quickly for him, total shame

By the looks of things you enjoy watching FOX News at night...

[Soldier of Macedon]

Vojnik, taking away the hype of FOX news, there is no doubt that segments of the Libyan population suffered under the rule of Gaddafi. Here is an interesting development:

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/gaddafis-killing-may-be-war-crime-group-20111023-1me4j.html

Gaddafi's killing may be war crime

Days after the death of Muammar Gaddafi, his corpse has become the subject of a macabre dispute as Libyan interim authorities squabble over where and how to bury him.

The deposed dictator's body remained on display Saturday in a walk-in freezer in the western city of Misrata, drawing hundreds of Libyans who donned surgical masks against the growing stench of his decomposing remains.

International human rights groups pressed for a fuller explanation of how Gaddafi and his son Muatassim died after being captured alive on Thursday.

The National Transitional Council, Libya's provisional ruling authority, hasn't announced an investigation.

The council also hasn't agreed on how or where to bury the former leader.

It promised more details on Sunday, when it's expected to announce formally the liberation of Libya.

Human Rights Watch said on Saturday that evidence related to Gaddafi and his son indicates "that they might have been executed after being detained", a possible war crime under international law.

Human Rights Watch interviewed a revolutionary commander who said things "got out of control" after Gaddafi's capture, suggesting he'd been killed in the chaos.

The group also visited the site where Gaddafi was captured and saw about 95 bodies, some of them apparently killed in the NATO strike and others showing signs that they were executed.

"There is ample evidence to open a credible investigation into the deaths of Gaddafi and his son Muatassim," said Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East and North Africa director at Human Rights Watch.

"Finding out how they died matters. It will set the tone for whether the new Libya will be ruled by law or by summary violence."

Video footage showed that Gaddafi survived a NATO attack on his convoy and died later in the custody of revolutionary forces, with conflicting accounts of whether he was executed or caught in crossfire.

Gaddafi's tribe wants his body to be returned for burial in Sirte, his hometown along the Mediterranean coast.

Some members of the council have proposed burying him in an unmarked plot at an undisclosed location, to prevent his grave from becoming a shrine for his loyalists.

Other reports have said the council has discussed cremation or burial at sea, as in the case of al-Qaeda mastermind Osama bin Laden.

Meanwhile, the Misrata revolutionary fighters who took home Gaddafi's body are pushing to bury him in their city, which suffered a deadly months-long siege during Gaddafi's campaign to crush the uprising.

The involvement of its fighters in the siege is sure to strengthen Misrata's bargaining hand as the council decides seats in the first post-Gaddafi transitional government.

Some Misrata figures reportedly were blocking an autopsy of Gaddafi, but on Saturday evening a coroner, Othman al Zintani, was dispatched to examine the bodies, according to a McClatchy special correspondent who met him in Misrata.

Zintani wouldn't share his findings, but earlier reports, citing a death certificate he completed, said Gaddafi died of gunshot wounds to the head and stomach.

On Saturday, news reports said the former leader's corpse had been covered with a blanket and his wounds masked, unlike the first day of public viewing, when he was stripped half-naked with crimson wounds visible on his body.

The two-day public display of Gaddafi's corpse goes well beyond just providing video and photographic evidence of his death, and a few Libyans are complaining that the dramatic victory of his capture has now turned into a rather unseemly sideshow.

There's also discomfort with the handling of the body because Islam mandates burial as soon as possible and many clerics oppose autopsies.

Many more Libyans argue that nothing is wrong with broadcasting images of Gaddafi's body, explaining that it's cathartic to see firsthand how the colonel who played an almost supernatural role in the country for four decades was, at his end, just a balding man in his late 60s.

[Soldier of Macedon]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2052065/Saif-Gaddafi-makes-bid-freedom-Libyan-desert.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Gaddafi's playboy son Saif 'makes bid for freedom across the desert'

Saif al-Islam was said to be fleeing across the vast Libyan desert towards Niger yesterday after escaping the carnage of Sirte. Officials said Gaddafi’s favourite son – a British-educated playboy – was travelling in a convoy of three armoured vehicles being hunted by Nato reconnaissance planes. If confirmed, it would be a blow to the National Transitional Council and a huge boost to the dead tyrant’s remaining supporters who would see his survival as a potential rallying point for any insurgency.

His escape will also worry the British political elite who could face acute embarrassment if Saif was ultimately captured and ended up in court. Saif became close to leading figures in the British government after Tony Blair signed the notorious ‘Deal in the Desert’ in March 2004. News of his apparent escape was revealed by Abdul Majid Mlegta, a senior military commander of the interim NTC.

His statement came after a day of rumour and conflicting reports in Tripoli that had seen Saif, 39, variously killed, fighting for his life in hospital and being held in custody.
In the hours after the deaths of Gaddafi and another son Mutassim, 34 – who had been in charge of Sirte’s defences – it was said Saif had been critically wounded when his convoy was hit by an RAF bombing raid.

Saif is thought to be trying to join up with another brother Saadi, 38, who fled to Niger in September together with other Gaddafi allies and a fortune in gold and U.S. dollars. In an indication that Niger may become a rallying point for the family, Mlegta revealed that in recent days Gaddafi’s security chief Abdullah al-Senussi was believed to be ‘slipped into hiding’ in the country. Senussi is Gaddafi’s brother-in-law and wanted for crimes against humanity on an international arrest warrant from the war crimes tribunal.

Ten days ago both Saadi and Saif were said to have tried to strike a deal with the NTC that would have allowed Gaddafi to leave Sirte – an offer emphatically rejected. Officials said last night that Saif was believed to have been with his father in Sirte and to have somehow escaped amid the confusion after the convoy fleeing west along the coastal highway was twice attacked by Nato drones and warplanes. Yesterday Nato officials released details of possibly the last strikes of the eight-month long civil war and its controversial role.

It said planes had hit 11 vehicles in an armoured convoy speeding the late Libyan leader out of Sirte on Thursday, although Nato did not know at the time Gaddafi was in the convoy. The account of the air strike that led to Gaddafi’s death suggested his fleeing convoy was considerably larger, and more vehicles were hit, than previously reported.

Nato aircraft struck 11 pro-Gaddafi military vehicles that were part of a larger group of approximately 75 vehicles manoeuvring near Sirte, the statement said. ‘The vehicles were carrying a substantial amount of weapons and ammunition posing a significant threat to the local civilian population. 'The convoy was engaged by a Nato aircraft to reduce the threat.’ The statement said that at the time of the strike, Nato did not know that Gaddafi was in the convoy, reiterating that it was not Nato’s policy to target individuals. Last night, Admiral Jim Stavridis, Nato’s top commander, said he was recommending the end of the alliance’s Libya mission calling it ‘a good day for Nato. A great day for the people of Libya’..

[Onur]

This is the latest video of Gaddafi`s last moments;

'Video shows Muammar Gaddafi being sodomized' - YouTube

Now i learned how Libya has been "democratized"...

[vojnik]

I haven't as yet established a stance on Ghaddafi and his regime, but from what I have seen Libya prospered economically and the country seemed to be doing fine with lots of support from the west. Until problems started occurring with oil contracts etc. after which Ghaddafi became a terrorist supporting dictator who raped the whole country and put it to ruins. The west then felt the need to invade with their "peace keeping" mission, where they killed civilians!!! RING ANY BELLS (BELGRADE BOMBINGS, IRAQ etc.) It's quite funny how these peace keeping missions always involve killing innocent people and killing the people they are "fighting" for. For instance in Libya many rebel fighters were killed by the west. But yet my thoughts on Libya at the moment, next Iraq.

Also Macedonians that were working there were quite pleased with their treatment and salaries. A similar situation like Libya is occurring in Ivory Coast yet no western country has sent "aid" to these struggling people who are trying to establish a democratic society oh I wonder why maybe because Ivorians have been keeping America happy with lots of diamonds and oil.

[George S.]

A lot of people feel that he should have been tried & jailed for life.By killing him it is putting him at his misery & also playing into the hands of his supporters.

[George S.]

A friend of mine sent me an email regarding gadafi:Subject: I am wondering about Gadafi and Libya.

I am wondering when I come across the following statements about Gadafi and Libya. Are these statements really true? If so, why people rebel against him?

1. There is no electricity bill in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens.

2. There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at 0% interest by law.

3. Home considered a human right in Libya – Gaddafi vowed that his parents would not get a house until everyone in Libya had a home. Gaddafi’s father has died while him, his wife and his mother are still living in a tent.

4. All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 Dinar (US$ 50,000 ) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family.

5. Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans are literate. Today the figure is 83%.

6. Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kick- start their farms – all for free.

7. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need in Libya, the government funds them to go abroad for it – not only free but they get US $2, 300/mth accommodation and car allowance.

8. In Libyan, if a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidized 50% of the price.

9. The price of petrol in Libya is $0. 14 per liter.

10. Libya has no external debt and its reserves amount to $150 billion – now frozen globally.

11. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.

12. A portion of Libyan oil sale is, credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.

13. A mother who gave birth to a child receive US $5 ,000

14. 40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $ 0.15

15. 25% of Libyans have a university degree

16. Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Man-Made River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country.

[Onur]

A picture from the new "democratic" Libya. So-called freedom fighters doing their daily prayers;



Not sure if they are just bending over to CIA or their new Mecca became Pentagon anymore (!!!)