Conflicts in the Middle East & Northern Africa

[Brian]

Pakistanis are sunni but not that strict unlike Saudi Wahhabis, more like Tunisians, Egyptians. But Pakistan is kinda free from USA`s grasp, so they are not like Arabic states. CIA wanna turn Pakistan to a 2nd Afghanistan but it`s a tricky situation because Pakistan has nuclear technology.

Pakistanis joins to what? You mean nuclear tech?? Pakistan already has nuclear technology for years and yes Pakistan has 1000s of missiles with nuclear warheads.

I meant if it is possible Pakistan and Iran joining, but if Pakistan is Sunni, then maybe they wont.

The Saudi's have AWACS and the UAE have recently purchased 'bunker-buster' bombs. I think it looks like the Arab states will be allowed to take-out Iran for their own hatred of Iran and at the same time playing into USA/Israeli interest.

[Brian]

The Syrian government are real 'bastards' - imagine selling 1Kg of good quality bread for USD$0.25. Wasn't that one of Gaddafi's crimes? - no wonder they 'deserve' to be bombed. Not to worry, Al Qaeda will come to rescue the people from their government, just like they did in Libya.

Libya Redux: France and al-Qaeda Assist "Free Syria Army" in Turkey

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/19706/53/

Wednesday, 30 November 2011
News of France’s effort to arm and train anti-Assad rebels in Turkey is all over the alternative and foreign media, but suspiciously absent in the establishment media.

Milliyet, a major Turkish newspaper, reported last week that France has sent its military training forces to Turkey and Lebanon to train the so-called Free Syrian Army (FSA). The FSA is supported by the British intelligence asset the Muslim Brotherhood and the al-Qaeda infested National Transitional Council in Libya.

“The report comes as an earlier report had revealed that the British and French intelligence agencies have reportedly tasked their agents with contacting Syrian dissidents based in the northern Lebanese town of Tripoli in order to help fuel unrest in Syria,” Press TV reports. “Reports also said that French intelligence agents have been sent to northern Lebanon and Turkey to build the first contingents of the Free Syrian Army out of the deserters who have fled Syria.”

NATO worked directly with the al-Qaeda rebels to take down Moammar Gaddafi in Libya. Britain and France sent in special forces troops to train and arm the rebels.

The United Nations resolution that imposed a no-fly zone over Libya did not “authorize member states to support rebels, defend armed insurgent groups, remove Qaddafi from office, or take steps to prevent Qaddafi’s use of mercenaries,” writes Dave Schuler. Despite this, the U.S., France and Britain worked closely with the al-Qaeda “rebels” and later set them up to rule the country.

Now the al-Qaeda Libyan rebels are being used to unseat al-Assad in Syria. “The same Al-Qaeda terrorists who fought U.S. troops in Iraq and helped NATO overthrow Colonel Gaddafi are now being airlifted into Syria to aid rebels there topple President Bashar al-Assad,” Paul Watson wrote on Monday. “Libya’s transitional ruling authority has agreed to send weapons and fighters over to Syria to help the Free Syrian Army fight government forces.”

Who's still for 'freedom' and 'people's rights'?

[Brian]

Meanwhile, in Egypt the Muslim Brotherhood (a Western operative) look like winning the election.

"Reuters"
Muslim Brotherhood says leads Egypt's vote count

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...topNews&rpc=71

[Brian]

"China will not hesitate to protect Iran even with a third World War" Major General Zhang Zhaozhong

"China will not hesitate to protect Iran even with a third World War" Major General Zhang Zhaozhong - YouTube

[Brian]

"Bloomberg Bussinessweek"
Free Syrian Army Seeks No-Fly Zone, Vows to Reach Palace
November 30, 2011

http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...ch-palace.html

and...


Another spot on the horizon. It's looking dark, anyway you see it.

"Bloomberg Bussinessweek"
Rockets From Lebanon Hit Israel for First Time Since 2009
November 30, 2011

http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...ince-2009.html

[vojnik]

Are there still people here that support the Libyan Rebels? Or the killing of Ghaddafi?

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/19706/53/

Libya Redux: France and al-Qaeda Assist "Free Syria Army" in Turkey
Wednesday, 30 November 2011
News of France’s effort to arm and train anti-Assad rebels in Turkey is all over the alternative and foreign media, but suspiciously absent in the establishment media.

Milliyet, a major Turkish newspaper, reported last week that France has sent its military training forces to Turkey and Lebanon to train the so-called Free Syrian Army (FSA). The FSA is supported by the British intelligence asset the Muslim Brotherhood and the al-Qaeda infested National Transitional Council in Libya.

“The report comes as an earlier report had revealed that the British and French intelligence agencies have reportedly tasked their agents with contacting Syrian dissidents based in the northern Lebanese town of Tripoli in order to help fuel unrest in Syria,” Press TV reports. “Reports also said that French intelligence agents have been sent to northern Lebanon and Turkey to build the first contingents of the Free Syrian Army out of the deserters who have fled Syria.”

NATO worked directly with the al-Qaeda rebels to take down Moammar Gaddafi in Libya. Britain and France sent in special forces troops to train and arm the rebels.

The United Nations resolution that imposed a no-fly zone over Libya did not “authorize member states to support rebels, defend armed insurgent groups, remove Qaddafi from office, or take steps to prevent Qaddafi’s use of mercenaries,” writes Dave Schuler. Despite this, the U.S., France and Britain worked closely with the al-Qaeda “rebels” and later set them up to rule the country.

Now the al-Qaeda Libyan rebels are being used to unseat al-Assad in Syria. “The same Al-Qaeda terrorists who fought U.S. troops in Iraq and helped NATO overthrow Colonel Gaddafi are now being airlifted into Syria to aid rebels there topple President Bashar al-Assad,” Paul Watson wrote on Monday. “Libya’s transitional ruling authority has agreed to send weapons and fighters over to Syria to help the Free Syrian Army fight government forces.”

[Brian]

"When it rains, it poors'. The Pakistanis have blocked the supply routs to Afghanistan and now the Russians are threatening to do the same, and also attach Poland (isn't that how WW2 started?) over NATO's missile defence set up to be installed.

Meanwhile Russian ships and subs are near Syria and Iran did an I ran to the background.

China is backing Pakistan and Syria, and Pakistan feels they have nowhere to go but to China, which mean the USA oil pipeline vi Pakistan is certainly blocked.

Russia threatens to block Nato supply routes

http://nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-n...-supply-routes

Russia threatens nuclear attack on Poland over US missile shield deal

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ield-deal.html

[Risto the Great]

Hmmm, the world needs a good old fashioned war to sort this financial mess out.

[Brian]

Hmmm, the world needs a good old fashioned war to sort this financial mess out.

You could be right, RtG - WW2 fix the 1930's Great Depression. Be careful what you wish for.

[George S.]

well brian as much as we don't want wars .The americans have got a 14 trillion debt i'm sure a war will take people's mind off things for a while.Especially if they get their hands on iran oil etc..

[Zarni]

The World needs to be polarised an alternative path to the West think how after 9/11 unilateral strikes against any Nation was being tested for the first time and was against all International norms now the US, Great Britain, France and lesser extent Germany think they have every right to attack Nations at will

I live an hope for the Day Macedonia can alley itself with to a strong influence of Power

[Brian]

A little more proof about NATO and the rebels they backed.

LIBYA War Crimes: Black Town Tawergha A Ghost Town After Ethnic Cleansing By NATO Rebels & NATO

LIBYA War Crimes: Black Town Tawergha A Ghost Town After Ethnic Cleansing By NATO Rebels & NATO - YouTube

[George S.]

probably the cia was behind it all.

[Brian]

@Phoenix
That's really good, Phoenix, that the USA/Israel could bomb the Iranians "back to the stone age". With the Iranians many long-range missiles, and threatening to use them on multiple countries, and with Israels standing position that if they were to 'go down for the count' they would use missiles they have aimed at even western countries, do you think any of your billionaire buddies will let you in their bunker - too bad for everyone else. Oh yeah, your in Australia - guess you can crack open a brewski and watch the fire-works. Maybe you could send them a memo to time it with New Year's Eve. You say you are not supporting a war, but you do sound exited enough for people to ask.

If the Iranians can do this, and with the support of China, then maybe attacking Iran wont be as easy as first thought.

Iran may have captured U.S. stealth drone by hacking its GPS

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/iran-may-captured-u-stealth-drone-hacking-gps-030447469.html

The CIA and the U.S. military may have a serious security flaw to deal with if an Iranian engineer's story proves to be true. Speaking to Christian Science Monitor (CSM), he detailed how a team of specialists from his country hacked into a U.S. spy drone's GPS navigator in order to capture it. That's the same one the U.S. government claimed has landed in Iran's territory in early December due to a malfunction.

The Iranian specialists reportedly figured out that the RQ-170 Sentinel's weakest point is its GPS by examining previously downed American drones back in September. Using this knowledge, they designed a trap for one of the drones doing reconnaissance work in the country: "By putting noise [jamming] on the communications, you force the bird into autopilot. This is where the bird loses its brain," the engineer says. The team then simply programmed it to "land on its own where [they] wanted it to." The engineer asserts that the whole process is as easy as hacking into a Google account. The attack was ultimately successful, leading the unmanned vehicle to land in Iran instead of its home base in Afghanistan.

A 2003 study on GPS vulnerability indicates that the U.S. military has known about the problem for nearly a decade. If the RQ-170 in Iran's possession was indeed hacked, it means the susceptibility is yet to be fixed. This isn't the first time a U.S. drone's security was compromised: back in 2009, videos sent by stealth drones to their ground control stations were intercepted by Iraqi insurgents. And earlier this year, a virus had infected not one, but a whole fleet of unmanned vehicles.

Just a side note - if one reads this thread from the beginning, it makes for an interesting read in terms of people's initial perceptions and later developments.

[Brian]

I wonder if the West can face scrutiny like they like to level at others?

Russia Wants to Investigate NATO Bombing deaths in Libya

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/19906/53/

Tuesday, 20 December 2011
Russia's U.N. envoy on Monday demanded there be a thorough investigation of civilians killed in NATO air strikes during its military operations in Libya, which led to the ouster and death of former leader Muammar Gaddafi.

Ambassador Vitaly Churkin was reacting to news reports about civilian deaths caused by NATO. Reuters reported on Friday that human rights groups estimated over 50 civilians were killed by the air strikes, while the New York Times published on Sunday an estimate of 40 to over 70.

Churkin told reporters the NATO alliance has so far failed to provide the U.N. Security Council with details about civilian casualties.

"Unfortunately NATO adopted a pure propaganda stand, claiming zero civilian casualties in Libya, which was completely implausible, first of all, and, secondly, not true," he said.

Churkin said he would raise the issue in the 15-nation Security Council on Thursday.

"We hope that NATO is going to revisit this entire problem, is going to investigate this matter," he said, adding that the United Nations could help with the investigation.

Churkin also criticized U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon for suggesting last week that NATO had fully complied with its U.N. Security Council mandate to protect civilians in Libya.

"We expect the (U.N.) secretariat to be more careful when it passes its judgment on very important issues which the Security Council is dealing with," he said.