Supporters of DUI wreck scaffolding of Kale church museum

[Volk]

Why? Shto odbranija na krajot na krajishtata? IMO, to be a TRUE DEFENDER requires political and ideological defence (including use of force) of MACEDONIAN NATIONAL SOVEREIGNTY and this has NOT been effectively (or even moderately attempted to be) defended in any sense and those political forces (or individual politicians) who opposed the Ramkoven back in 2001/2002 are now MUTE about it or partaking in its implementation.

Secondly, the "Braniteli" were mostly professional servicemen and reservists and were FOLLOWING ORDERS of a TREASONOUS and CAPITULATIONIST "UNITY GOVERNMENT" (where the ENEMY was part of the ruling establishment and thus many fell victims to treachery from within) and essentially approximately 1/3 of Macedonia was (and remains to this day) lost to the UCK as an exclusive (more or less) Gheg territory and THE STATE CEASED TO BE A MACEDONIAN ONE WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE OFA (Ramkoven dogovor)!

Lastly, IMO, real Braniteli in 2001 were those who courageously opposed the signing and voting in of the Ramkoven and those were few and far in between. And, from where I stand, the real, real BRANITELI today are only those who are consistent in their opposition to all past injustices and seek ways to reclaim the lost Macedonia and to reveres and redress ALL anti-Macedonian injustices.

So pochit,
I.

Kakov pocit? Every person that put there life on the line, particularly in real combat is a defender, the fact that you can select who is what makes me sick.

The politician spineless maggots fucked us, no one else.

Trajkovski was a CIA spy, who had the biggest fucking grin on his face when they signed the TERMS OF SURRENDER.

Georgievski the bulgar spy, treacherous dog who dreamed of Macedonia joining bulgaria..

The Braniteli fought for our nation, little did they know what leaders they had and what they stood for. Now most of them have been abandoned and treated like dogs. Never forget that and never disrespect the soldiers that fell defending Macedonia, UNDERSTAND?

YouTube - Makedonija 2001 - Bitkata za aracinovo Eve ja vistinata

Slava i pocit za zaginatite, nivniot duh vecno ke ostane so nas

[Phoenix]

I'm with Volk, the guys that put their lives on the line need to be respected for their bravery and patriotism...our leadership, then and now are the real villians and until Macedonians can free themselves from that treachery nothing will change for the better...

[Risto the Great]

Why didn't the military take over the country after the politicians screwed it?

[George S.]

It was a slap in the face for the macedonian citizen.After all the indignity the people have suffered & then to be screwed again.RTG the military should have revolted & took things in their hands but they were probably scared they might end up at the hague.Ithink Better still would have been letting those 10000 armed bitolcani with kalasnikovs.Today there would be no albanian left in macedonia.I think another time might come civil unrest when Macedonian citizens will take up arms against the albanians & wipe them out completely.

[Pelister]

I tell you the greatest insult I had ever heard came from UMD, who had described the events of 2001 as an Albanian fight for greater human rights, when we have Macedonian Churches throughout the land bombed, shelled full of bullet holes, or just flattened - and actual Albanian footage of Macedonians being 'humanely' escorted out of their homes by Albanian gunmen. We were winning that war - until the U.S and NATO somehow managed to enforce a 'no fly zone' over soveriegn Macedonian territory.

[Phoenix]

I tell you the greatest insult I had ever heard came from UMD, who had described the events of 2001 as an Albanian fight for greater human rights, when we have Macedonian Churches throughout the land bombed, shelled full of bullet holes, or just flattened - and actual Albanian footage of Macedonians being 'humanely' escorted out of their homes by Albanian gunmen. We were winning that war - until the U.S and NATO somehow managed to enforce a 'no fly zone' over soveriegn Macedonian territory.

I'm disgusted at any idea of umd supporting the shiptari, I don't even like the thought of Meto engaged in a tour of Turkish bathhouses (in an official capacity as umd head...take that as you like)...

I've got an idea, how about umd putting Macedonian interests ahead of the shiptari, the turks, the jews and the americans, now that would be a novel approach...

[Volk]

UMD, who had described the events of 2001 as an Albanian fight for greater human rights

Please BACK THIS UP

[Vangelovski]

Please BACK THIS UP

Volk, you just can't help but put your foot in it. I'll let you do it a few more times and then post the Press Release!

If you're going to be a UMD apologist, you should at least be up-to-date with all their garbage!

[Volk]

Volk, you just can't help but put your foot in it. I'll let you do it a few more times and then post the Press Release!

If you're going to be a UMD apologist, you should at least be up-to-date with all their garbage!

We obviously do not share the same obsession, if you have proof please post it, inace...

[Risto the Great]

Please BACK THIS UP

They said it. It will be found for your benefit. You see the problem with UMD is they see Macedonia with USA coloured glasses. So saying something positive about the Albanian quest for human rights under the Framework Agreement is within their realms of normality. It suits their brand of HYPE.

When it is inevitably shown to you, how will you regard them Volk?

[Vangelovski]

We obviously do not share the same obsession, if you have proof please post it, inace...

Inace what? Come on Volk, you know you want to put your foot in it a few more times like you usually do before we show you up to the disengenious apologist you are!

[Vangelovski]

Oh what the hec! Here you go:

In 2001, Albanian extremists attacked Macedonian police officers and burned villages, demanding more rights in education, employment, and political representation. Through a U.S. - EU brokered agreement, the conflict was resolved and Macedonian-Albanians were accorded full rights, including higher education courses in the Albanian language and a 25% set-aside for the army, police force, and public administration. Today, Macedonian-Albanians fully participate in social and economic development, working with their countrymen to ensure the nation's membership into NATO and the EU.

Meto Koloski
12 March 2009
NATO: The Case for Macedonia
Foreign Policy Association
http://www.fpa.org/topics_info2414/t...?doc_id=853200

Now, Meto starts off by calling them "extremist", but quickly backs off from this by claiming these poor people were only seeking more rights in "education, employment and political representation". One would naturally ask what's wrong with that? UMD goes on to paint a rosy picture about the Framework Agreement, claiming that the Albanians have been "accorded full rights" and "fully participate in social and economic development", "working with their countrymen".

He omits the unjust privelages that the Framework Agreement provides to Albanians extremists and omits the fact that they carried out terrorist attacks in order to gain these privelages!

But that's not surprising. Look at this UMD PR (which I know you've seen before):

“We understand the frustrations that ethnic Albanians feel regarding the mistakes contained within the Macedonian Encyclopedia. However, we remind everyone and Mr. Krasniqi that MANU is reviewing and has promised to correct these mistakes, with input from well-regarded Albanian-Macedonian academics,” said UMD Director of Public Policy, Boban Jovanovski”.

UMD Media Release
24 September 2009
http://umdiaspora.org/content/view/432/1/

That was UMD's response to Albanian protests over the Macedonian encyclopedia. And what were the Albanians protesting about? They disputed a number of articles that suggested Albanians arrived in Macedonia during the 16th century, that the US supported NLA forces and that Ali Ahmeti may be guilty of war crimes.

We see that the UMD must agree with the Albanians over these issues, otherwise, why would they call these articles “mistakes” and state that they understand the “frustrations” of the Albanians in relation to these “mistakes”?

I wonder if UMD understands the frustrations of Macedonians?

[Phoenix]

Why didn't the military take over the country after the politicians screwed it?

I hope the 'winds of change' are strong enough to make their way across from North Africa and swirl at the feet of our current crop of poisonous politicians...

Our leaders are every bit as corrupt as the despots in Africa and the Middle East, they all employ similar strategies of manipulation as they cling to power, slowly growing their personal fortunes at the expense of the common folk, thereby building political power and perpetual wealth...

[Phoenix]

“We understand the frustrations that ethnic Albanians feel regarding the mistakes contained within the Macedonian Encyclopedia. However, we remind everyone and Mr. Krasniqi that MANU is reviewing and has promised to correct these mistakes, with input from well-regarded Albanian-Macedonian academics,” said UMD Director of Public Policy, Boban Jovanovski”.

UMD Media Release
24 September 2009
http://umdiaspora.org/content/view/432/1/

Its so sad that umd have more empathy with shiptari than they do with the Macedonian diaspora...

[Big Bad Sven]

Its so sad that umd have more empathy with shiptari than they do with the Macedonian diaspora...

But meto and friends like to boast that they "represent" the common Macedonian and their best interests

LOL i remember in the video of Meto in Adelaide were he said that not all albanians in macedonia are bad and that most were loyal to macedonia LOL! What a joke

UMD are just like the current macedonian government and police, too SCARED and USELESS to say anything about the bullshit nationalist things the shiptar ghehgs are doing to the poor macedonians.

Were was UMD condemning the last bit of nationalist bullshit that came from the ghegs in Skopje? You will never see UMD say anything about the shiptars even if they end up killing macedonians, UMD doesn't want to loose its pay check from uncle sam and Meto is still climbing that greasy corporate ladder.