Turkish films

[Brian]

And who says the Turks are our enemy ?

Ahhh...you do. What's with all your military hardware (remember it was one of the things that sent you broke) and who was it pointed at? The Turks have always been your 'boogie man'.

You would rather turn yourselves into a neo-ottoman satellite selling all your public assets to Erdogan than you would to sit down on the table and work it out with us.

Voltron, there are some things you say that are very sensible and other thing you have this real soft spot for that turns your head soft, the 'name issue' being one of them.

The first is a few business venture - I do have a differing opinion on foreign investment ie I'm not all for it - but we are doing business as the REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA, while the other thing is CERTAIN CULTURAL SUICIDE!!!!! Are you awake? Have you read the Greek 'Red Line'? And you want to "work it out"? What's there to work out - roll over and SURRENDER EVERYTHING or NOTHING. I guess all real 'friends' put such ultimatums to their 'friends'. I suppose your now going to give me the "Godfather" line, "It's nothing personal, it's just business."

It amazes me that Greeks (in general, not just you) even think to use a line like "work it out". Do Greeks really believe they are talking to 3 year olds that don't know what that means and that line will work? But then again we have dick-head Gruevski still sending letters inviting Greece to talk. By the way, it's the Greeks repeatedly refusing to meet and "work it out" since the ICJ.

[makedonche]

And who says the Turks are our enemy ? You would rather turn yourselves into a neo-ottoman satellite selling all your public assets to Erdogan than you would to sit down on the table and work it out with us. If tommorrow you turn into a new Bosnia, dont blame us for it.

Voltron

And who says the Turks are our enemy ?

You, your associates, your people, your entire country! - the amount of spending on military hardware your country is engaged in should be a wake up call for the naieve and those in denial, such as yourself! Why are you buying the hardware for at a time of austerity? to defend against who? Your own newspapres, government churches and almost any one with a voice has constantly used the Turkish argument to support more military spending, thus you percieve your enemy to be Turkey!

If tommorrow you turn into a new Bosnia, dont blame us for it

And who would we blame Voltron? Who else kept us out of international organisations? Organisations that would have assisted in the implementation of democracy and modernisation far quicker and given Macedonia the tools to maintain it's sovreignity - but oh no you dumbfuck Greeks had to stick your noses in had continue your well documented policies of assimilation and denial of basic human rights, your outrageous claim to anything Macedonian, your country's claim there is no such thing as Macedonian it's always been Greek...and so on...and so on, there isn't enough room to write the rest of it!
Mark my words Voltron if Macedonia becomes a new "Bosnia", it won't be long before your country becomes the Turkish colony of Arvanites, broke and muslimized - exactly what you deserve!

[Zarni]

And who says the Turks are our enemy ? You would rather turn yourselves into a neo-ottoman satellite selling all your public assets to Erdogan than you would to sit down on the table and work it out with us. If tommorrow you turn into a new Bosnia, dont blame us for it.

This is luagable Turkey has a modern approach and no agenda towards Macedonia it understands our Culture and History END

AS for sitting on the table and working things out I WILL SCREAM there isnt a debate we need to be having with you or a settelemt needs to be reached Greece is our mortel enemy which denies our existance Sofia and Athens both have the same 19C mindset that same view only we would be in a debate with our Niegbours would anyone stand to be at a table discussing anything from Mongolia to the South Pole not a respected people in the World would allow themselves to be manupulated like this

[Coolski]

Maybe the Greeks can spend $17 Million....

forget the rest of that sentence Brian. yes.. they could spend $17 million, but don't expect an end product, or proof of spending. lol

[Soldier of Macedon]

I don't see a problem with Turks making such a movie, but would like to think it will be historically accurate. Do we know exactly what Greece has objected to?

[Voltron]

Voltron

You, your associates, your people, your entire country! - the amount of spending on military hardware your country is engaged in should be a wake up call for the naieve and those in denial, such as yourself! Why are you buying the hardware for at a time of austerity? to defend against who? Your own newspapres, government churches and almost any one with a voice has constantly used the Turkish argument to support more military spending, thus you percieve your enemy to be Turkey!

No, There is no hard feelings between Greeks and Turks anymore. We get along fine. There are problems politically but as a people there isnt any that I can think of. I have issues with their foreign policy and constant provocations but we are somewhat used to it. Its more or less an illusion of grandeur Ankara does for domestic consumption and their neo-ottomanism ideas. We had spent a lot of money always trying to put them in check but it was really wasted since nothing ever changes. A main reason we buy so much military equipment is not so much that we feel we are going to be attacked, it is because its business as usual in pleasing Allies such as USA, France, Germany etc. It helps their business while using our political problems with Ankara as a pretext. Not to mention it feeds the pockets of our crooked politicians on the side. Our spending is always used for defensive equipment and not offensive. Besides if a real war broke out, it would be extremely difficult to fight them back. In either case its not to anyone's benefit.

And who would we blame Voltron? Who else kept us out of international organisations? Organisations that would have assisted in the implementation of democracy and modernisation far quicker and given Macedonia the tools to maintain it's sovreignity - but oh no you dumbfuck Greeks had to stick your noses in had continue your well documented policies of assimilation and denial of basic human rights, your outrageous claim to anything Macedonian, your country's claim there is no such thing as Macedonian it's always been Greek...and so on...and so on, there isn't enough room to write the rest of it!
Mark my words Voltron if Macedonia becomes a new "Bosnia", it won't be long before your country becomes the Turkish colony of Arvanites, broke and muslimized - exactly what you deserve!

Assisted in democratization and modernation ? Haha, your in for a rude awakening. Yes, they will earmark you cash for roads and infrastructure, but how much will your politicians siphon off on the side ? Democratization, horseshit. They will only make things worse for you in the name of human rights. As far as I am concerned, we are doing you a big favor in keeping you out and you dont even see it. Once you join it willl be the final nail in your multicultural society. You will not be able to do a thing about it. At least now you can make some drastic changes with your minority and muslim issues. Kick their asses out and solidify your country while you still have a chance. It will be rough but it can be done. Once you join there is no turning back. Just look south of your border to see what Athens has become in the name of human rights. If your concerned about infrastructure, I think you guys still get funding from the EU for those purposes without being a full blown member.

[Bill77]

No, There is no hard feelings between Greeks and Turks anymore. We get along fine.

Can you rephrase that "Hard feelings" bit. You being Greek and all, i'm assuming you are agreeing that you don't get along with Turks.


.....Joking mods joking........

Jeeeeesss, its hard to get a laugh these days.

For the rest of Voltrons comments, is not worth responding to. And never has been.

[Voltron]

I don't see a problem with Turks making such a movie, but would like to think it will be historically accurate. Do we know exactly what Greece has objected to?

I dont remember either. I recall it has something to do with the romanticism of the Ottomans conquering Constantinople. Not showing the bloodshed with the inhabitants greeting them or something along those lines. The softening up of those events, I heard Davatoglou and his entourage went to go see it. He's probably went to see it if it goes along with his neo-ottoman vision.

[Voltron]

Can you rephrase that "Hard feelings" bit. You being Greek and all, i'm assuming you are agreeing that you don't get along with Turks.


.....Joking mods joking........

Jeeeeesss, its hard to get a laugh these days.

For the rest of Voltrons comments, is not worth responding to. And never has been.

Thanks Bill.

[Bill77]

Thanks Bill.

I am trying realy hard living by my New years resolution which is "If i don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all".

But damn you make it so hard for me. Until they invent a "Ignore stupidity patch" i am going to struggle with you big time.......oops, there i go again

Your welcome by the way. ahhhhh that was nice of me.

[Voltron]

I am trying realy hard living by my New years resolution which is "If i don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all".

But damn you make it so hard for me. Until they invent a "Ignore stupidity patch" i am going to struggle with you big time.......oops, there i go again

Your welcome by the way. ahhhhh that was nice of me.

Complacency is one of the worst things that can happen to a country.

[Brian]

Assisted in democratization and modernation ? Haha, your in for a rude awakening. Yes, they will earmark you cash for roads and infrastructure, but how much will your politicians siphon off on the side ? Democratization, horseshit. They will only make things worse for you in the name of human rights. As far as I am concerned, we are doing you a big favor in keeping you out and you dont even see it. Once you join it willl be the final nail in your multicultural society. You will not be able to do a thing about it. At least now you can make some drastic changes with your minority and muslim issues. Kick their asses out and solidify your country while you still have a chance. It will be rough but it can be done. [B]Once you join there is no turning back. Just look south of your border to see what Athens has become in the name of human rights.[/B] If your concerned about infrastructure, I think you guys still get funding from the EU for those purposes without being a full blown member.

See Voltron, you do say a lot of sensible things.

Geez, I can't believe the double speak around here (the MTO) - everyone is carrying on like a pork chop about how bad the EU is and how bad Gruevski is for pushing towards the EU and now people are putting down Voltron/the Greeks for being 'bad' and preventing Macedonia from joining the EU.

Once Macedonia is in "there is no turning back" on anything - it's EU all the way. The economy will be stuffed, Macedonia will be sending money to 'bail out Greece, and 'human rights' laws will see Macedonia accepting 'refugees' - or maybe that's the plan to beat the Albanian '25%' by diluting the numbers with lots of other nationalities. Then we'll see about 'the homeland for Macedonians'. Not so long ago there was an article about Gruevski agreeing with the EU immigration policies. The article made it sound like helping the EU keep illegal out but I didn't like the 'we're all for EU laws' at the end.

I think Macedonia has had more than enough EU "Democratization" - the Albanians get more rights than the majority and they have to be consulted and persuaded to agree before a law can be passed - thank you EU for the sweetness but it's already too sweet for Macedonians.

I'm not against bagging Greeks but let's cut the crap and do it for the right reasons.

[Bill77]

Geez, I can't believe the double speak around here (the MTO) - everyone is carrying on like a pork chop about how bad the EU is and how bad Gruevski is for pushing towards the EU and now people are putting down Voltron/the Greeks for being 'bad' and preventing Macedonia from joining the EU.

If only Voltron/the Greeks were doing it for the right intentions. For our own benefit. Before you go to bed with Voltron.....look in his eyes and ask him "sweet heart.....do you really love me"?

[Brian]

If only Voltron/the Greeks were doing it for the right intentions. For our own benefit. Before you go to bed with Voltron.....look in his eyes and ask him "sweet heart.....do you really love me"?

LOL. I know what you mean Bill77, but sometimes a fail is a win in disguise, even if we don't recognise it at the time. Sometimes your enemy becomes your 'friend' unknowingly, even to themselves.

[makedonche]

Voltron

No, There is no hard feelings between Greeks and Turks anymore. We get along fine. There are problems politically but as a people there isnt any that I can think of. I have issues with their foreign policy and constant provocations but we are somewhat used to it. Its more or less an illusion of grandeur Ankara does for domestic consumption and their neo-ottomanism ideas. We had spent a lot of money always trying to put them in check but it was really wasted since nothing ever changes. A main reason we buy so much military equipment is not so much that we feel we are going to be attacked, it is because its business as usual in pleasing Allies such as USA, France, Germany etc. It helps their business while using our political problems with Ankara as a pretext. Not to mention it feeds the pockets of our crooked politicians on the side. Our spending is always used for defensive equipment and not offensive. Besides if a real war broke out, it would be extremely difficult to fight them back. In either case its not to anyone's benefit.

Then why the need for spending beyond the country's means on military hardware? There is no such thing as "defensive" spending as opposed to "offensive" spending - all military hardware is designed to be an offensive weapon, as the best form of defence is attack! Surely if you can analyse all this and come up with the assesment you have then why can't your politicians/oppostion/educated class do the same and question the governments excess spending?

Assisted in democratization and modernation ? Haha, your in for a rude awakening. Yes, they will earmark you cash for roads and infrastructure, but how much will your politicians siphon off on the side ? Democratization, horseshit. They will only make things worse for you in the name of human rights. As far as I am concerned, we are doing you a big favor in keeping you out and you dont even see it. Once you join it willl be the final nail in your multicultural society. You will not be able to do a thing about it. At least now you can make some drastic changes with your minority and muslim issues. Kick their asses out and solidify your country while you still have a chance. It will be rough but it can be done. Once you join there is no turning back. Just look south of your border to see what Athens has become in the name of human rights. If your concerned about infrastructure, I think you guys still get funding from the EU for those purposes without being a full blown member.

I was alluding to NATO membership rather than the EU, I'm no fan of the EU and think it should be dismantled immediately and replaced by a union of nations with a common trading block/independent sovreignity and standardized laws to a certian degree - but that's another topic altogether. Had The Republic of Macedonia been allowed to join NATO do you think we would still have Albanians in our parliament, Albanian as a second language, Albanian signs everywhere and Albanian flags everywhere and the threat of a Greater Albania on our doorstep? I think not - therefore thank you and your countrymen very much for vetoing our membership to NATO over some bullshit argument about a 'name issue' that your country had no interest in until Macedonia looked like becoming a republic. Furthermore if you think that this Albanian problem is going to be limited to Macedonia, think again, Greece will become the next stage of Albanisation for the Greater Albania movement, and they have far greater legitimate claim to your territory than they do to ours!