Albanian Experts predicting a Greater Albania by 2013

[fyrOM]

One problem with their greater Albania plan is last time Macedonia barely had arms to fight of the terrorists and the people had their typical Macedonian slumber mentality. Today the army has new weapons and specialty units and the people have had enough. If any take two on 2001 was attempted how many Albanians do you think will be wiped out in about 3 hours…and I don’t mean just by the army… before the whole thing is made to be called off by usa threats of bombing. Again Albania will be told to back off lest Turkey jumps in and starts a wider conflict. Times have changed that’s why they are trying the legal rout.

[Prolet]

I couldnt agree with you more SOM

I actually like the people i feel sorry for them because they are being used for other purposes they are not asked about what they think they just follow orders from the people who forcefully represent them. In 2001, ordinary Albanians who had businesses were forced to give financial funds to UCK if they didnt they could have been killed, some of them were killed.

Its 2010 we want open borders,freedom of movement,joint armies,joint laws,free trade etc etc yet we have Albanians openly stating how they are going to take land away from 4 different countries.

[Soldier of Macedon]

While I can understand the frustration and vengeful sentiments of some Macedonians here, let's not get carried away with the generalisations about Albanians. Not all of them are the same, and certainly not all of them are like these racist monkeys that frequent the MTO from time to time. Venting is one thing, but let's not lower ourselves to their pathetic level.

[fyrOM]

I would not be so quick to dismiss these lunatics so quickly. The whole of their plan is unlikely to happen but bits of it are already in progress.

The Greek part is unlikely to happen firstly because Greece is still the west’s little darling. Whatever the Greeks have over the west to be tolerated like this must be good but none the less I am sure you would agree that Greece would be treated differently to Macedonia or Serbia.

The second reason which in part ties in with the first is numbers. Greece is 10 million and the Albanian minority is very small. I know if we look at blood lines over half the Greeks could be Albanian as some have said. This even if true is irrelevant as they see themselves as Greeks and apposed to the Albanians. If military action were to be used to break from Greece I think it is likely they would be massacred and due to Greece being the west’s darling little action will be done against them and their atrocities covered up as best as possible.

Kosovo on the other hand is already being recognised as a separate country despite Serbia’s protests. I think the Serbs could be too late on this point. It really depends what the Greater Powers allow to happen.

The eu want Kosovo and Albania to sign the document they will not become one country but which both parties have to date refused to sign. Kosovo can later claim not only that they want to join Albania but also economically they are unviable unless the join and rather than be a burden to the west it would be in everyone’s interest to let them.

In Macedonia they have made repeated calls for separatist rights of Albanian being used I councils and other government instruments as an official language where Albanians are in the majority. Further they want and I think they have a redistribution of council boundaries and a call to federalise Macedonia like Yugoslavia was a federal state made up of components. This is one step from then wanting to secede from the federation and once done it will be their choice what to do ie join Albania and Kosovo. The census is one legal function they want to use towards this end hence the bun fight in parliament about when the census should be held ie in July when Albanians living abroad will have their annual holiday and all rush to Macedonia to be part of the census.

The Albanian lobby in the usa is still very strong and again they will try to bend the usa to accept and repeat as policy for the sake of stability of the region and civil rights the position of units within a federation should be allowed to break off. This is why the census is important and any suggestion of federation should be quashed.

Is it starting to look like not so pie in the sky. Even a slight chance is enough for the Albanians to go nuts with their wet dreams and have a try. They are a persistent lot and any time they go quiet does not mean you have won the war only the battle while they wait for the next round.

[Frank]

Thanks for the perspective Onur some of the Macedonians on this Forum shouldn't have been scared by this Albanian fairy tale spin.

Albanian Ultra Nationalists are great Internet Warriors they forget Kosovo's only pillars of a State are its Visa scheme, a Flag of some sorts and a Police Force and the sole property of the EU at that.

they still are a Serbian UN Protectorate with sway in the EU kind of independent but not really

For the Shiptars killing and cleaning Kosovo of its non Albanian Population keeps them content

It is how they live not economic prosperity that is important to them that is why Kosovo will remain isolated for ever

Making enemy's in the region is not in their Interest but they are to stupid to comprehend that

Win Kosovo first you lunatics

[Daniel the Great]

Funny how you say Debar has only been "albanian" when the strange thing is that we had many noble macedonian freedom fighters from debar fight in the Illenden uprising. Even today Debar is mostly macedonian muslim, but sadly they have been seduced by corrupt shiptar blood money.

But anyway, every one knows shiptars are like the biggest pussies in the balkans, acted tough hiding behind the ottomans backs, acted tough hiding behind NATO's skirt, but when they are alone they cry and beg for their miserable lives like bitches. If you want a example just look back a few years when the shiptars from kosovo were crying at the macedonian border for help and refuge

Shiptars are all talk and image, they are nothing but a joke, a sick dog on the leash for america's dirty work, but once their purpose has been used up they will be put down like a sick dog.

Cant wait for that day, hopefully a lot of shiptar heads are smashed, so the rest of you hill billies learn to behave again, and start cleaning macedonian toilets again

I couldn't of said it better my self.

[julie]

Big Bad Sven, you have such a poetic way with words, and have put the little ferals back in the hole where they belong

[Big Bad Sven]

Are these the Albanians (descendent's of the ancient illyrians) he is referring to?



And these must be the scum that are claiming our land, what pathetic people they are.

LOL this looks like something you will see in some pathetic little village in Syria or Tunisia. Apparently the shiptars are the oldest people in europe. If they said they were the oldest people in asia then i would agree with them LOL!

What a strange bunch of looking people, shiptars are easily the most ugliest and strange looking people in europe.

[Big Bad Sven]

LOL I just got here cuz I saw the thread...im albanian if u didn't know..

Ok now, There is no such thing as "greater albania", there is an "ethnic albania" , which is the Real Albania, where albanians live and have lived all their lives since the Illyrians.

This is the real map :



And yea, it will happen one day, "ethnic albania" is wanted by 99.9% of the albanian people, and with god willing it will happen.

Plz tell me : Why not? Why should I have at the border my own self? My own nation in the border?

And why do you people include religion everywhere? Do you not know that Albanianism is our religion? And that Orthodox and Catholics make up about 50% of Albania?

Diber is 100% albanian and was always, why should they not be Albania when historicaly and 100 years ago they were in Albania?

Funny how you say Debar has only been "albanian" when the strange thing is that we had many noble macedonian freedom fighters from debar fight in the Illenden uprising. Even today Debar is mostly macedonian muslim, but sadly they have been seduced by corrupt shiptar blood money.

But anyway, every one knows shiptars are like the biggest pussies in the balkans, acted tough hiding behind the ottomans backs, acted tough hiding behind NATO's skirt, but when they are alone they cry and beg for their miserable lives like bitches. If you want a example just look back a few years when the shiptars from kosovo were crying at the macedonian border for help and refuge

Shiptars are all talk and image, they are nothing but a joke, a sick dog on the leash for america's dirty work, but once their purpose has been used up they will be put down like a sick dog.

Cant wait for that day, hopefully a lot of shiptar heads are smashed, so the rest of you hill billies learn to behave again, and start cleaning macedonian toilets again

[Big Bad Sven]

It appears the shiptar-chechnians that have poluted this forum are all silly trash talking wigger teenagers from the albania.com forum, they even admit to trolling this forum:

From user Drin335
I've trolled in the past, but they're a bunch of fascists cunts and they will ban anyone with a different opinion from them. I've been banned for being a racist. Apparently "Slav" is a racist terms for FYROMians.

PS:

Looks like your boy TBA is trolling on their forum. He's about to get banned in 3....2..........

http://www.albanian.com/v4/showthread.php?t=30456&page=3

[DirtyCodingHabitz]

DCH, SOM has the right to say what he wants, he is one of the leaders of this Organisation and if he sees comments that are inappropriate he and the other admins must firmly reply to them, i hope if i was to say something stupid they would tell me to shut up, that's how you learn.

I just don't see my comment as inappropriate, and I never knew that jokes were inappropriate. And I don't want to argue about this anymore. Everyone seems to be on topic except us.

[Daniel the Great]

Even if I joke around sometimes and you don't really like it, just don't reply to me with a negative comment.

DCH, SOM has the right to say what he wants, he is one of the leaders of this Organisation and if he sees comments that are inappropriate he and the other admins must firmly reply to them, i hope if i was to say something stupid they would tell me to shut up, that's how you learn.

[Prolet]

Onur, How could we not know about Bondsteel its massive, its in Uroshevac i've been past there especially at night time where you cant miss it from any city even from the other side of Shar Planina. I know people who worked there, you can buy anything there even a snow board, i know that when people go inside the base they have to hand in their mobile phones.

Serbian President Tadic recently built a major army base near the Bujanovac region, there is no way they can do anything there unless USA decides to do something themselves but lets not forget that USA is building an even bigger Embassy in Belgrade thats going to be huge, its going to cost them over $100 million so i cant see them doing anything like they did in the late 90s.

http://turkeymacedonia.wordpress.com/page/164/

The American Economy now is dropping at high levels, the country is politically unstable and now after Iraq and Afghanistan i cant see how they can afford another war in the Balkans. The EU is also in a major crisis, they can bairly afford to keep troops in Afghanistan, Holland pulled its troops out and the UK is cutting its defense spending by a massive 12% which has never happened before.

[DirtyCodingHabitz]

Don't insult my intelligence, you were trying to be a smartass when you wrote SoM and "his army of admins". Premnogu se prepavas, ama nema da ti kazvam sekoi den da zastanis. You will end this game soon or find someone else to irritate, or I will end it for you.

No one is insulting your intelligence. Even when I started from my first posts you started being negative towards me because I said maknews and A1 post the best news. How was I suppose to know that you created this forum because maknews had issues and didn't want to solve them? How was I suppose to know that A1 was publishing crap? (far as I understood malenka's message about maknews and the admins).

Even if I joke around sometimes and you don't really like it, just don't reply to me with a negative comment.

[Pelister]

If the Albanians bring another war, the same thing will happen to them that happened to hundreds of Albanians that attacked the Macedonian village of Radushe. They tried to keep a lid on that in the news, but the story eventually got out. It was the Macedonian village victory, that brought on the U.S IMPOSED NO FLY ZONE, over our territory. One day - one day, the U.S military base at Camp Bond Steel won't be there anymore; NATO won't be important to this part of the world anymore. We just have to be patient, and the 500or 600 Albanian political leaders that had occupied a village in the Skopje region, and 'escaped' with the help of the U.S, won't be so lucky next time.